From: Steve (steve@multisell.com)
Date: Mon Aug 12 2002 - 09:53:32 MDT
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:16:12 -0700
From: Max More <max@maxmore.com>
Subject: Re: Extropia.net, Zines &c.
At 12:20 AM 8/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>>I think I have dealt with the "false" accusation since the PH Lounge is
>indeed
>>run by the Extropy MEDIA RELATIONS board official.
>Brian and Sabine have already responded to this. However, I'll point out
>that your reasoning here is terribly poor. I also know Greg Burch well. He
>is vice president of Extropy Institute. He owns two lemurs. Therefore,
>Extropians must favor owning lemurs. Same logic. BTW, I've never visited
>the Posthuman Lounge (no doubt to my loss), so I can't comment on the
>content/activity as distinct from the name.
OK, so not run by Extropy Institute per se, but am correct is run by the
Extropy Media Realtaions board official. I was only defending criticisms
leveled at me by Natasha because I run an E-zine called EXTROPIA, and
she tried to persaude me I should change the name. But your argument above
vidicates MY perfect right to promote extropia.net (and my version of what
Extropian might mean, as well as the larger Posthuman picture) since it is a
site owned & run personally.
> >In addition, how can you so rigidly argue that your understanding is
RIGHT
> >and ours WRONG, yet also say:
>
>Where have I used these words???
> >>On the subject of "misrepresentations." ... it is the Extropian/ trans
> >>notion of "Posthuman" as some non-attainable future
> >>state who actually are misrepresenting the term. For correct
understanding
> >>see http://www.multi.co.uk/identity.htm
>"Misrepresenting" "correct understanding". In other word, you are right,
>we are wrong.
As you say "IN OTHER WORD sic" , so I don't use these words as you admit.
A philosophical error on your part maybe ......
I am saying that you are misrepresenting (giving a wrong or distorted
impression) the term "Post-human" ... since I fail to see how it can mean
other than "After-human." I think this is pretty clear cut, especially since
you don't actually provide an alternative definition (at least one that is
intelligible).
>I'm glad you clarified what you wrote about special powers. It certainly
>sounded like you thought there was a significant possibility that believing
>yourself posthuman could produce "special powers". If not, why say that you
>are not ruling it out? What if I said: "Sending $10,000 to Extropy
>Institute will not necessarily make you an immortal superhuman. But I
>wouldn't rule it out."
I think that the 'software upgrade' of freeing yourself from human-era
conditioning might lead to greater behavioural range ..... but I am firmly
against 'supernatural' beliefs and have always railed against them in fact!
What 'benefits' do you think an individual gains from re-labelling
themselves
as Extropian or Transhuman?
Steve
Posthuman Movement
www.posthuman.org www.multi.co.uk/identity.htm
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