From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 16:01:54 MDT
--- Forrest Bishop <forrestb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Lorrey <mlorrey@yahoo.com>
> To: <extropians@extropy.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Obedience to Law (was Penology)
>
>
>
> > At risk of subjecting the list to a long winded
> > Forrestian rant on the evils of freemasonry, the
> > illuminati, the Elders of Zion, the CFR, IIS, and all
> > that has transpired since the well documented masonic
> > conference in the Majestic Hotel back in 1919, I ask:
> > just what is your problem?
>
> What exactically is a rant?
>
> Would you be so kind as to review the following list of implicit
> claims. I would greatly appreciate it if you can provide evidence
> supporting the claims numbered 1), 2), 3), and 5). If no evidence is
> obtained would you please retract the claim?
>
> 1) Freemasonry
> I have referenced Masonic material precisely once, simply to observe
> their model of reality. I did not find this model useful, hence
> my terse "okee doke" after quoting it in relevant part. Fyi, my dad
> was 33rd Degree.
> Please retract the implied claim "Forrest Bishop rants about the
> evils of freemasonry".
Generally those who rail against the CFR have researched it's history
somewhat. If you are simply ranting against it from ignorance, so be
it. I suppose that your further statements here seem to illustrate that
this might in fact be the case.
>
> 2) The Illuminati
> This is the first time I've even typed the word, I had to look at
> your spelling first.
> Please retract the implied claim "Forrest Bishop rants about the
> Illuminati".
Those who rant against the federal reserve, fiat money systems, and the
CFR are quite aware of the historical relationship of the illuminati
and the freemasons.
>
> 3) My memory is of course imperfect, but I do not recall ever writing
> anything at all on the Elders of Zion. Perhaps you are
> referring to my friend's musical ensemble of that name, I don't think
> I've mentioned them in print either. If you are referring to
> the *Protocols of the Elders of Zion*, I cannot recall ever
> commenting on it, though I may have put it in reference. The
> *Protocols*
> is an interesting historical piece, though the authorship is obscure.
While there is an actual group called the Elders of Sion, a
freemason/jewish group near the french/swiss border town of Sion, based
out of its priory, this group was the kernel of truth behind the EOZ
hate pamphlets promoted by anti-semites. Generally those who rant
against the CFR, freemasons, fiat money systems, merchant bankers and
mercantilist international financiers are closet Aryan Brotherhood
types, or at the least fellow travelers.
>
> 4) The CFR
> Many of the claimed members of the CFR, past and present, are quite
> thoroughly "unsane" (Robert Anton Wilson's coinage), imo. Forced
> labor introduced through the non-ratification of the 16th Amendment
> and the establishment of the world's largest counterfeiting ring
> (the Federal Reserve) were simultaneously instigated by its founders,
> for example. Fyi, my cousin was asked to become a member, he
> declined the invitation.
So was I.
> Does this quailify as a rant? I really can't know how others might
> interpret a text pattern on their computer monitors.
> www.cfr.org
>
> 5) IIS
> I don't even know what this is.
> Please retract the implied claim "Forrest Bishop rants about the
> evils of the IIS".
If you've actually studied the history of the CFR, you'd know that it
was founded in the US at the same time and by the same parties (led by
freemason Cecil Rhodes (of DeBeers, Rhodesia, and Rhodes Scholar fame))
as those who founded the Institute for International Studies in London
to serve a similar function there.
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