From: Forrest Bishop (forrestb@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Mon Aug 05 2002 - 03:22:32 MDT
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From: Lee Corbin <lcorbin@tsoft.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Obedience to Law (was Penology)
> Forrest Bishop writes
>
> > > What would have happened in Britain in World War II, say
> > > 1942, to anti-war demonstrators or pro-German editorial
> > > writers. Anything? I know Bertrand Russell spent time
> > > in prison during WWI for, I think, pacifism. A nation's
> > > got to do what a nation's got to do to win.
> Well, actually, no. It was a question to
>
> >> Charlie Stross writes
>
> as I wrote at the top of my post.
Yes, I thought so. The phrase is a line from a Hollywood movie. So is the tautological "a man's got to do what a man's got to do".
Nations do not do anything at all- they are fictitious entities devoid of volition and action. Individual human beings cogitate,
win, lose, or draw irrespective of whatever collective the theorist wishes to construct. Incidentally, the notion that the ends
justify the means is a cornerstone of Marxism.
> Do
> you need help?
Sure, but good help is so hard to find these days.
> Is there something someone here can do?
Yes indeed! Educate themselves in crucial matters of history, economics, speculative manias, money, propaganda/psyops techniques,
law, science and particularly in the art of the cover-up.
> What is the matter with you?
Say, that's a mighty presumptuous insinuation, which reminds me- have you stopped beating your wife?
> Did you post something recently that I missed?
How can I know that? I did try to remain within the context of this thread.
> > Look, my hands are tied; I'm just doing my job; it's policy.
> > So go ahead, make my day: click it or ticket, zero tolerance-
> > it's the law. But don't rock the boat; keep your head down
> > and nose to the grindstone. And if you don't like it Here,
> > then why don't you go run with the herd over There?
>
> Not sure at all what you mean, or where you're coming from.
Most of the passage above is a collection of sundry hierarchical, totalitarian slogans, i.e. memes, that enjoy currency in these
despotic United States. The arrangement is very roughly in the programming order employed by local State-cultists.The last line of
course is a generalization of "you should try living under the despotic regimes in Vietnam or Cuba" or wherever. It is a standard
crimestop programming technique, a fear tactic (ouster from the herd) employed to prevent further analysis. I've been hearing it
since I was three years old; it was quite popular during the Cold War; with a variant ("America- love it or leave it") strain
appearing during the Vietnam invasion.
> Some of us here are trying to have informative exchanges.
> What is your problem?
Sidestepping the metaphysical question of ownership of problems, one of the problems I'm working on is an attempt to construct, or
at least outline, a general theory of how the world works.
Forrest
-- Forrest Bishop Chairman, Institute of Atomic-Scale Engineering www.iase.cc
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