From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 17 2002 - 17:39:45 MDT
--- Anders Sandberg <asa@nada.kth.se> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:10:46AM -0400, Harvey
> Newstrom wrote:> >
> > In rigorous security analysis, it turns out that
> trust is a bad thing.
> > Trust only occurs when someone is unable to verify
> something or to
> > control something. Then you are in a position to
> have to "trust"
> > someone or something to not be deceptive.
> Stronger security occurs when
> > trust is unnecessary and the integrity of a claim
> is demonstrated in
> > some way.
snip..
> Interesting point. Trust as it is usually seen is
> the assumption that
> the probability of being deceived is low, but also
> among humans that
> other humans do not have malign goals. So having a
> society where
> contracts and maybe smart property enables people to
> prove their
> truthfulness in their interactions (trust in your
> sense and the first
> sense above) might still be a low-trust society in
> the second sense of
> people viewing each other as potential enemies.
An internal network is generally among a group of
trusted individuals, where the individuals behind the
firewall do not consider a need to verify each other,
but do verify those outside the group (i.e. the rest
of the world). Verification within the group usually
only occurs when a certain threshold of group size and
complexity is reached, or when the primary interest of
the individuals within the group are different or in
conflict. When such factionalism occurs, the group
should either fissure (secede) or institute control
protocols (i.e. police states) such as identity
verification, compartementalization and access
controls.
Nation-states that reach this threshold point are
faced with a conundrum when the primary interests of
citizens transcend from mere difference to outright
conflict, where their interest can only be furthered
by forcing others.
A nation-state without strict citizenship standards
will tend to reach this point faster than those which do.
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