From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Mon Jul 08 2002 - 03:25:20 MDT
Spudboy100@aol.com wrote:
> I claimed earlier:
> ** No way, most opinion polls view any "Jihadddi" like Osama as a real hero.**
>
> Samantha disputed:
> << Please present the data. I think you are mistaken.>>
>
> I now respond with the following from Tanzeem Al Islami. The underlining is
> my own.
> http://www.tanzeem.org/resources/articles/articles/abidullah-misconceiving.htm
>
> "... We fail to understand that although the "New US War" is waged under the
> banner of terrorism but it is absolutely not against terrorism alone. No
> matter what the US may claim to the contrary, the main objective is to bring
> an end to all the hopes of Islamic revival and establishment of an Islamic
> government anywhere in the world.
> Jim Hoagland of the Washington Post (September 15) testifies to this fact in
> clear words: "This is not a war between nations, religions or classes. It is
> a broad conflict that pits moderates against extremists within Islam." Very
> few among the Muslims have been trying in vain to explain that there is no
> "liberal," "moderate" or "fundamental" classification of Islam. However, the
> western media kept on pumping these ideas and as a result, opinion makers
> like Jim Hoagland now advise the US that exploiting these "dichotomies is the
> great challenge, and the great opportunity, for the United States now."
> The widely propagated myth is that Islamic "fundamentalists" are in minority.
> Algeria and Egypt are reaping the wrath of this misconception. Treading the
> same line, although General Musharraf said that only 15 percent of the
> Pakistanis opposed his support for the US anti- terrorism efforts, Reuters
> reported that nearly two out of three Pakistanis questioned in a Gallup Poll
> said they opposed Pakistan's joining any US-led coalition. It means, 66 per
> cent of the population is being considered as a "minority." It also means
> that at least this 66 per cent of the population is being perceived as
> militants while the rest is law-abiding citizens..."
>
> This is straight from the Islamic press, Sam. Please read the article from
> the link.
The name is "Samantha" please. It may be from the Islamic press
but it is quite biased and mistaken. I personally know several
quite liberal and moderate Muslims. The writer may wish to
claim that all Muslims are the same for ver own purposes but
this certainly does not make it so. There is nothing here that
adds evidence to your claim that bin Laden is a hero to the
majority.
>
>>From The Guardian in the UK.
> h
> ttp://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Poll+Arab+Terror/10/T=1026094103/F=e46f50afc7b83e64323
>
> 456640bca0f78/*http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,658925,00.h
>
> tml
>
> "To gauge Arab opinion, the Gallup organisation conducted interviews with
> almost 10,000 people in nine Islamic countries during December and January.
> The found that just over half of the people surveyed in Saudi Arabia, Iran,
> Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco had a poor
> opinion of the United States and of the US president, George Bush.
>
No surprise there.
> The poll found that although 67% of people believed the September 11 attacks
> were morally unjustifiable, 61% did not believe western news reports that
> Arabs had been the hijackers.
>
Nor there.
> USA Today quoted Gallup's editor-in-chief, Frank Newport, as saying
> respondents found the US "ruthless, aggressive, conceited, arrogant, easily
> provoked, biased. The people of Islamic countries have significant grievances
> with the west in general and with the United States in particular."
>
Yes.
> CNN reported that those polled found American values materialist and secular
> and believed American culture was a corrupting influence on their societies.
>
Yes.
> Gallup, which funded and designed the study, said it had gone ahead because
> "accurate information about how Muslims abroad view the west has previously
> not been available".
>
Nothing in this one about their attitudes to bin Laden either.
> And:
> http://www.bangla2000.com/mboard/vbulletin.asp?ID=540
> "It is true that USA has been tring its utmost to eradicate Muslims from the
> face of the earth one way or another. Now the question of WTC is merely a
> reason under the umbrella of which it is embarking upon a highly secret
> strategy to through with the Taliban and thereafter the muslims of other
> countries. The question might be that why would USA do such thing? well the
> answer is very simple. They are afraid of the Taliban government because they
> are operating according to the Islamic Principles. USA wants the whole world
> to be following its way of living and follow its orders like the other
> morally scrupled countries. But its have forgotten one thing that is Muslim's
> way of living and governance varies from their. Muslims cannot follow the
> ideas of that of a non-muslim country and its government. USA have been
> embarking upon many anti-muslim policies since the taking over of this
> government..."
>
I would expect fundies to feel this way. So...?
> The evidence is abundent, their motivations various, and their goal unified,
> based on what is perceived by the Muslims as success. They seem to know what
> they want, and its surely past-time for Americans to know also.
You have not presented anything conclusive here nor have you
backed up the original assertion I questioned.
- samantha
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