Relativism of values, ideas, rights, memes (was Open Letter to Gina Miller)

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Mon May 27 2002 - 15:28:29 MDT


Rafal writes

### Reason wrote:
 
> The route I suggested was a Turing Test for evaluating what is human vs.
> potential human/non-human. I'm arguing that by that definition, infants are
> not human. (Members of species homo sapiens, sure, will be human eventually
> if given support, sure, but I can't interact with them in the way I can with
> a real human).

### Let me first say that I agree with the rest of your
### post, about the ultimate lack of a compelling ethics,
### a set of rules that would impose itself on all minds
### like the rules of mathematics, by virtue of being
### undeniably true and unavoidable.

Yes, I concur. Fundamentally, it's a question of respect.
Just how do you regard people who reject the Extropian
Principles?

(a) they are as wrong as if they were to claim 2 + 2 = 5,
    or to claim that the Earth is hollow, or to claim that
    telepathy has been shown to work.
(b) they are *unreasonable*, in the sense that they
    have failed to reason correctly. They should be
    regarded as wayward students, who may one day
    surmount the various logical and scientific errors
    that plague them.
(c) they have differing values from us, but values that
    can be objectively shown to resemble the values of
    backward-looking, religious, atavistic, authoritarian,
    nihilistic, or harmful systems of the past.
(d) they have differing values with which we strongly
    disagree and which many of us properly and often
    harshly condemn.
(e) they have differing values from us, to which they
    are just as entitled as we are to ours, and there
    are no objective criteria against which their values
    and ours can be compared.

So what choice most closely fits your take? Thanks to
everyone who answers, not just Dr. Smigrodzki.

Lee



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