Re: META: Please! A retraction is called for by someone!

From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Sat May 25 2002 - 12:35:25 MDT


On Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 01:44 pm, Lee Corbin wrote:

> A number of people are now quoting and re-quoting to the
> effect that I consider men to be more valuable than women.
> This is untrue. How did it get started?

This seems to stem from the lifeboat example and the roman soldier
example. They may not have been as clear as you wanted, since many
people misunderstood them. The discussion got more heated than
necessary, because all parties involved seem to assume that the various
misrepresentations were deliberate. It is more likely in these cases
that simple miscommunication has occurred. Reiterating one's case might
be more direct than trying to argue whose fault a miscommunication was,
or trying to prove bad intent. I think your above direct statement has
done more to clear up this mess than all our previous heated messages
going back and forth.

> (In the above, I should have written that I never approved
> of those things I mentioned, whereas you clearly say that
> those are *my* proposals. For that alone you must make a
> retraction!)

OK. I retract this statement now that you have clearly stated that you
do not propose this viewpoint. I certainly was among those who
misunderstood your position. You seem to think that I deliberately
misrepresented you, and then I assumed that you were deliberately
forgetting your involvement in that thread. The conversation quickly
got off track there and moved to the subject of blame rather than
content. I also apologize for participating in the blame game as well.

> (And yes, the remark about Roman soldiers was in the
> lifeboat discussion. I was in error about never
> having participated at all, sorry.)

Thanks. I think miscommunication is a common attribute of e-mail, and
we all are making these mistakes on all sides. It is very difficult to
keep track of everyone's exact viewpoints, and not misread between the
lines. I think it is more important to try to remember that this is
occurring and to not react emotionally or assume that the problem is
deliberate. I, for one, will try to do better as well.

--
Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <www.HarveyNewstrom.com>
Principal Security Consultant <www.Newstaff.com>


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