From: John Grigg (starman2100@lycos.com)
Date: Wed Mar 13 2002 - 22:00:41 MST
Alex wrote:
I feel that this situation has presented the advocates of cryonics with a very rare and valuable opportunity. It is a chance to unite and show the popular press and general public that we are a coherent group of like minded individuals with a dream for the future. That we are seriously looking at the practical application of a technology that could one day hold the key to bringing people back for a second chance in a brave new world.
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It does look like a groundswell of support has quickly developed to try to stop what the French officials are wanting to do. I just tend to think these bureaucratic goons will rush this thing through so fast we will not be able to stop it in time!
you continue:
Am I dreaming or just babbling Sci-Fi ? If I am, then what the hell are we doing on this list? Just giving pipe dreams plotlines to novelists?
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Many of us are here simply to enjoy the social and intellectual aspects of the list. But the potential to actually get things accomplished here is great(potentially!).
You would have to ask Damien about getting inspiration from here! He would probably produce twice as much writing if not for his reading of the list! lol!
you wrote:
We have a chance to show that Cryonics IS a viable solution, and those who choose the option to try, should be respected and their rights upheld. This is the real crux of the problem right here. Rights?. As a corpse you have none.
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"Our man in Havana" Jacques Du Pasquier is doing all he can! It's hard for noncitizens of France to decisively get involved in this.
you continue:
This is something I have posted about previously and was somewhat dismayed in the lack of discussion and response to my questions. Again I am dismayed at the lack of response to the tragedy unfolding in France.
Surely we are not all just looking after our own backs?
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I think if this were in the U.S. or the U.K.(home to cryonics orgs) we would see the kind of reaction you want. France is in the "frontier" as far as cryonics goes.
I agree with you that there needs to be more action here. But at least we have Jacques Du Pasquier TRYING VERY HARD to help this frozen couple. He just does not have much time here to make the connections and affect change.
I admit that so far the reaction on the Cryonet list has not been the way I had expected. I wrote several prominent cryonicists who felt the matter could only be dealt with by having French cryonicists move forward on the issue.
Luckily, just as we have(to my knowledge!) one Frenchman on the extrolist, we also have one on Cryonet. I hope they can successfully network to get something done.
you wrote:
Ask yourself one question. When you are locked into a stainless steel vat, immersed in liquid nitrogen. Who will be looking out for your rights? Fellow Extropians? If the responses so far are anything to go by, I think you will be mainly on your own.
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Unless your fellow extropians are officers of Alcor, CI or some other cryonics organization, it's not their mission to be looking out for your rights!
I know enough about at Alcor and the Cryonics Institute to say you will be standfastly watched over with either group!
And if the rights of people with either org were seriously threatened, I honestly believe Max, Greg, Shaun, Harvey and Natasha would rally the troops to counterattack.
I wish the French doctor who is now frozen along with his wife had decided to not go it alone! He should have done his research and decided to do this with the aid of U.K. Alcor. Cryonics organizations are not so generous with those who did not make the proper arrangements beforehand.
you wrote:
I wish I had the financial resources to help. If I did, I'd be straight down to Alcor, signing them
up. Surely there Is there a Cryonics Sympathiser/ Patron who can see the great PR value of this situation? Someone that would be willing to shoulder the cost should it come to shipping these folks to a cryonics friendly country.
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I'm not even sure if the French government would allow that! But at this point it seems no wealthy patron will be coming forward anyway. And I did try enlisting one! lol Oh, well.
Alex, you have a good heart.
best wishes,
John
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