From: Robert Coyote (coyyote@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 2001 - 11:25:02 MDT
It is a right for the people to be here, it is a priveledge for the
government to govern, the current gov can always leave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Smith" <randysmith101@hotmail.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Cards and Permits
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: Those who choose not to have The Citizenship Card could always...leave!
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: >From: "Technotranscendence" <neptune@mars.superlink.net>
: >Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
: >To: "Extropy" <extropians@extropy.com>
: >Subject: Cards and Permits
: >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:00:44 -0700
: >
: >I couldn't have said it [much] better myself.
: >
: >Daniel Ust
: >http://uweb.superlink.net/neptune/
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: >From: Joe Duarte joe_duarte@hotmail.com
: >To: objectivism@wetheliving.com
: >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:32 AM
: >Subject: OWL: Cards and Permits
: >
: >Shawn asks whether National ID Cards, driver's licenses, etc. violate
: >rights. When investigating corruption, we are told to follow the money.
: >When investigating, or evaluating, a proposed government measure, we must
: >follow the force.
: >
: >A compulsory national ID card would _require_ that a citizen (1) go to an
: >office and take all the necessary administrative steps to have the card
: >issued, and (2) carry the card about their person at all times. They
would
: >be required to do this of course because there would be a threat of force
: >hanging over them if they did not comply. When a government demands an
: >explicit, positive action from citizens, and provides for coercive
: >punishment for those who are uncooperative, that government is initiating
: >force. There is no other force present, or crime committed, in this
: >scenario - only the government's. This applies equally to driver's
: >licenses,
: >a license to do business, or a concealed carry permit. The government has
: >no
: >right to _permit_ anything, for all is permitted in a free society, all
: >peaceful activity at least. In issuing a national ID card, the government
: >is
: >basically issuing a permit to live - specifically, to live and conduct
: >one's
: >daily business with slightly less harassment than those who do not have
: >such
: >a card. But it is the government, not a human being, that should require
a
: >permit.
: >
: >Joe Duarte
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