From: Randy Smith (randysmith101@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 2001 - 19:59:53 MDT
>From: Mike Lorrey <mlorrey@datamann.com>
>Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
>To: extropians@extropy.org
>Subject: Re: the waves of immigration that now plague this nation
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:32:35 -0400
>
>Randy Smith wrote:
> >
> > >From: "Smigrodzki, Rafal" <SmigrodzkiR@MSX.UPMC.EDU>
> > >
> > >As an immigrant I represent a clear gain for the American society. I
>came
> > >with excellent education (worth about 300 000$, counting the investment
>in
> > >my childhood, grade school, high school, medical school, postgraduate
> > >education, entirely paid by the taxpayers in Poland and Germany), good
> > >health, decent work ethic. By competing with local physicians, I and
>other
> > >IMG's (International Medical Graduates) contributed to the reduction in
> > >healthcare cost growth rate that occurred in the last few years, while
> > >maintaining a consistent standard of quality.
> >
> > I have stated many, many times, that I think that ANYONE and EVERYONE
>with a
> > legitimate MD shoukd be able to come here to the USA. In fact, I have
> > suggested PAYING them large sums of money to come here. I have suggested
> > building medical schools in 3rd worlds so we can get MORE M.D.s here.
>The
> > same thing goes for PhD's or even for *legitimate* students who want to
> > study for a PhD here, and already have a *good* degree.
> >
> > You are wrong about immigrants in general being a plus for America, or
>for
> > me. You are not the general case. Not only are there many studies
>showing
> > just that, but common *emotionally detached* sense will tell you the
>same
> > thing.
>
>snip another offensive comment...
>
>While Randy is correct that immigrants in general (legal and illegal)
>not being a plus for America, LEGAL immigrants regularly show that they
>are significant plusses, and those demonizers here should not try to
>construe my (or Randy's ) opinions to be blindly anti-foreigner.
>Immigration controls, properly written and administered, are significant
>contributors to the trust bank which needs to build up for a free
>society to function well. They should NOT discriminate blindly against
>people by their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, etc., but they
>certainly SHOULD have significant merit based filters built in, as well
>as controls that help assure the citizenry that those who are being
>admitted are contributors and worthy of trust as a citizen.
>
>We are in the situation we are in today specifically because we have
>torn down many of the most useful barriers to entry while keeping many
>of the most inequitable barriers, and have eliminated ANY means of
>keeping track of those let in on a temporary basis.
>
>I am all for unlimited immigration, but only between high trust
>societies. We should not automatically treat all foreigners as if they
>live in high trust societies. They don't, generally, and 9-11 is
>partially the result of such bad judgement (along with a refusal to
>trust citizens with all of their rights when on an airliner).
>
>NOTE to Randy: Cut the offensive comments, they make you look worse than
>you are.
Ha! what about THEIR offensive comments?! Shall I enumerate?
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