From: Adrian `Guru Zeb` Harper (guruzeb@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed Sep 12 2001 - 07:41:32 MDT
At 09:33 12/09/01, you wrote:
>Ralph Lewis wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps I am thinking first world and I should be thinking third world. But
> > I have no idea how someone puts together an operation like this and
> pulls it
> > off with the level of intelligence in place today. Something like this has
> > to be planned a long time out and some warnings should have gone off. This
> > was not something a dozen individuals thought up last week would be a good
> > idea to do.
> >
>
>What would it take at minimum? Four crews of say 3-4 people
>each, armed with undetectable kinds of knives and possessing
>basic combat fighting skils; one person per team who is
>minimally able to handle a large commercial carrier in flight;
>careful picking of flights for intersecting times; getting all
>teams on board; handling the flight crew.
>
>I don't see why this would need to be planned that terribly far
>in advance. A month or two should be sufficient given enough
>really dedicated people with the basic talents. If the group
>is really zealous it shouldn't be that hard to keep the plan
>quite for that kind of timeframe.
Yeah i can't agree more, ppl talking about how difficult this operation
must have been
imho are missing the point. The basic piloting skills could well have been
picked up over a
few weeks with a mid range PC and MS flight simulator. Since once in the
air and on a basic
heading no great skill would be require to direct a jet into a large building.
What i have be wondering about is the level of icy determined all consuming
hatred it takes,
to board and aircraft with 3-4 colleagues, and then kill yourself and
possibly several thousand other
complete strangers. by crashing into a building.
> > Also as I said, 4 airliners not on flight plan? And no red flags are going
> > off. If nothing else there should be a scramble to find and track the
> planes
> > for their own protection in case some weird error is happening in the
> > nations flight control system.
> >
>
> From what I have understood there was one other bit of
>sophistication, knowing how to turn off some of the tracking
>devices.
>
> > And all of this in a situation where individuals have allowed government
> > intrusion into their lives, accept four hour check in times, etc just so
> > this would not happen.
> >
> > To me that is incompetency beyond belief.
Maybe worth mentioning that air security specialists in Europe have been
aghast at the loose
security on US internal flights for years. The idea of minimal baggage
checks and NO passport
or ID checks is something that i suspect makes most European security
specialists shudder.
>I don't think so. But perhaps I am missing something.
>
>- samantha
"FURIOUS GREEN DREAMS, LAY SLEEPING IN STATE,
BUT SOON THE GREAT JELLY SHALL RISE FROM THE
DEPTHS,
AND ALL THOSE WHO MOCKED SHALL KNOW THEIR FATE
IS SEALED"
Guru Zeb,
Hacienda,
Manchester, 1989
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