From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@datamann.com)
Date: Tue Aug 07 2001 - 13:36:50 MDT
Olga Bourlin wrote:
>
> From: "Brian D Williams" <talon57@well.com>
> >
> > I think your mixing issues here, slavery and its end is a
> > completely different issue then as you put it "de jure segregation"
> > is.
>
> I know what the issues are and how they are different. I did not mention
> anything about reparations. I was talking about bigotry, and how it neither
> ended with slavery nor magically go away "7 generations" ago.
Sure, but you are changing the subject. Virtually anyone who isn't of
british descent (and male) has ancestors who have been discriminated
against by bigotry (which may or may not be stronger between
discriminated groups). Bigotry is not what we are talking about.
>
> > What about voluntary segregation?
>
> It's your right to hang around with anyone you want. But public schools
> should not bar children of a certain color from attending. And hospitals
> shouldn't have a policy of barring people of a certain color from receiving
> treatment. And public pools should not be for "whites only." Etcetera.
Sure, but why is it then that minorities tend to prefer to group
together in areas where they will receive substandard services rather
than integrate in higher quality areas?
>
> > In the attempt to correct past and current issues about race,
> > otherwise well meaning individuals have created new ones as any
> > white male can tell you.
> >
> > There is current discrimination against white males, which we are
> > not going to ignore as we address these issues.
>
> Hey, I've read Warren Farrell, myself. Certain biases against men, women,
> ugly people, short people, fat people, poor people (and on and on and on)
> exist, and those are all different subjects in their own right (but cannot
> BEGIN to touch the subject of "white on black" racism that has existed in
> our country). As to the "any white male can tell you" - all right, let's
> start with the white alpha male currently residing in the White (no pun
> intended) House - can he tell me the terrible trials and tribulations he's
> gone through on his road to recove...eh, I mean, on his road to the White
> House? I wonder. Wouldn't he qualify as an "any" male? Any white male,
> you say, huh? (Get serious!)
Bush doesnt' count, outside of the horrendous discrimination and bigotry
that liberals have exhibited against him because of his speech
impediment. I guess learning disabled people are only 'minorities' when
they vote democrat, huh?
Rather, count, for instance, the middle and upper class black kids who
get free rides to colleges based on their race while poor white kids
just as capable are rejected specifically because they are white.
>
> > One of the problems is that we have not agreed on what "racism and
> > Racist" mean on this list. There are for example those who claim it
> > has only to do with genetics.
>
> It has to do with history, primarily. "Race" is not a scientific reality,
> but a social enigma.
While there is greater genetic difference between males and females than
between races, there are still quantifiable genetic differences between
races of the same gender. Forensics would not be a viable science if
this were not so.
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