From: Party of Citizens (citizens@vcn.bc.ca)
Date: Sat Jul 28 2001 - 13:46:51 MDT
On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> Party of Citizens wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >
> > > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it founded on truth...present and future? Does it stand for something
> > > > > > other than truth? If so, what?
> > > > >
> > > > > Something founded on fact is not considered religion, since religion
> > > > > relys on faith unsupported by any facts or testable phenomena.
> > > >
> > > > But grasshopper...I asked about TRUTH. Is that the essence of
> > > > Extropianism? Are Extropians true believers?
> > >
> > > We are not believers, belief hinders the critical faculties. We are
> > > knowers and we extrapolate and theorize based on facts that are already
> > > in evidence. We do not have faith or belief to the extent that
> > > religionists do, since we insist on testability, Occam's Razor, etc.
> >
> > You are splitting hairs, grasshopper. If I know this is my hand in front
> > of my yinyang, then I BELIEVE it is in front of my yinyang. Show me one
> > prophet or other religious leader in the Bible who directed us to ignore
> > logical-empirical, scientific reality. Faith is followed by works because
> > without works, faith is dead. And works must be tested. The Bible never
> > said otherwise. Metaphysics doesn't detract from physics one bit.
>
> So solly, boll weevil. The physical works of a brainwashed believer does
> not make a God real. The works of a futurist make his/her projected
> future real. Therin lies the difference.
But grasshopper, the boll weevil is not a brainwashed believer. The boll
weevel has read Isaiah: "Let us reason together saith the Lord...." and
the boll weevil has read Asimov as quoted earlier. Asimov pushed his
scientific statements to their limit and in so doing showed the limit of
his faith in science. So the boll weevil has faith in a metaphysics beyond
physics or science.
POC
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