From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Thu Jul 12 2001 - 02:00:09 MDT
John,
The things you attribute to Spike below were actually written
by me.
John M Grigg wrote:
>
>
> Natasha wrote:
> > I realized it was his/her personal view, however it
> > makes me wonder why. People who go to church, people who value ideas other
> > than extropian ideas, people who have a desire or need for
>
> Spike wrote:
> How about "who value ideas other than what some think are the
> limits of exptropian ideas"? The above makes it sound like
> there is precisely this opposition and fundamental incompatible
> that I don't agree exists or not as widely as is often assumed.
> (end)
>
> And if efforts to influence the public and mass media are successful, we will need to find common ground with those who are different in their world view!
>
> >spirituality are
> > not backward and unintelligent. Many are creative and highly intelligent
> > and who simply see things a different way because of deeply ingrained
> > belief systems, early imprinting, fear of the unknown, social conditioning,
> > professional affiliation, or simply like the music, atmosphere and wine.
>
> Spike wrote:
> Some of us don't buy that the future we dream of can be acheived
> by only science, technology and a fairly rigidly defined
> rationality. We are after any and all means that are a help and
> especially after a unifying vision.
> (end)
>
> I think Greg Burch perceptively stated recently how the transcendant vision of transhumanism does have a connection to the fondest hopes of "aspiring to higher things" in religious though.
>
>
Yes. The transcendent super-meme pervades a lot of religion and
extropianism as well. We might want to note and take advantage
of that.
> Spike wrote:
> Some of us are there because we grok the deep transcendent
> energy present and the caring openness and find it a very
> fertile place to sow extropian memes. <g>
> (end)
>
> Aha, sounds like Spike is doing "missionary work!"
>
Actually, attempting to gather all who really want transcendence
and are willing to be use all means possible to acheive it and
an attempt to get various types of such people to understand one
another a little better.
> Spike wrote:
> >It really isn't an either/or im my book and experience.
>
> FM-2030 in his book, "Are you a Transhuman?" made a similar point about how people in various ways have transhumanist aspects to their lives, even if on the surface you would not think so.
>
Thanks for the comments.
- samantha
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