From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@datamann.com)
Date: Sun Jul 01 2001 - 16:45:52 MDT
Adrian Tymes wrote:
>
> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > Adrian Tymes wrote:
> > > Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > > > The reviews by the predictably leftie movie reviewers all hated the fact
> > > > that real humans were depicted as less humane than the mechas, something
> > > > they found to be beyond their 'suspension of disbelief', which is not
> > > > the fault of the movie, but the fault of their own bigotry.
> > >
> > > Some did. Others just disliked the fact that all real humans were
> > > depicted as universally inhumane, regardless of the humanity of the
> > > mechas - and portraying any such trait as common to every single human
> > > does, IMO, reasonably violate "suspension of disbelief" in most cases.
> >
> > So I suppose Nazi Germany is just too evil to be believed.
>
> 1. Godwin's Law. ;P
;P blah blah blah. Since the issue of luddite versus artificial person
is the same issue, I'm not sure if this applies...
>
> 2. As I've heard it, most Germans at the time were treating Jews as
> second-class citizens, but not as objects to be completely disposed of
> like so much diseased cattle. Only a small minority inside Germany
> knew of the Final Solution, at least until after the war when the
> Allies informed the rest. This is consistent with my observations of
> people in my own life.
Only a small minority were found to have sufficient documentation that
they knew. You'd have to be a raving idiot to live within a few miles of
the ovens to NOT know what was going on. The fact is that Jews who were
found to be carrying contraband (false ID, firearms, foreign money, etc)
were not arrested, they were shot. Additionally, there are now proven
cases (like the recently discovered situation in Poland) where the
civilian population rounded up the Jews and killed them, later claiming
the Nazis did it.
Jews had always been second class citizens prior to the Nazis. For
example, generations earlier, when the first German censuses were done
that included the Jews, they were given German surnames made up by
census counters, frequently of rather disparaging nature (i.e. Einhorn,
'one horn' which is a reference to the penis). It was only under the
Nazis that they were actually treated as cattle, with brands (the yellow
star of david patch on all clothing), stripped of property, and herded
into cattle cars in public.
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