From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Sat Jun 02 2001 - 19:55:41 MDT
Lee Corbin wrote:
>
> At 11:37 AM Brent Allsop wrote:
>
> >Lee Corbin <lcorbin@ricochet.net> made a valiant attempt with:
> >
> >> No, I think that you would too, unless you're just incredibly
> >> stubborn. Imagine that everyone but you began doing it. Years and
> >> years go by. You see the same people slowly age. Time and again
> >> you hear them recount their adventures on other planets. The tiny
> >> voice in your head "but they're not the same people! my old friends
> >> are dead!" becomes pitifully weak. Eventually you stop listening to
> >> it.
>
> >... When you make arguments like this, you are buying into the
> >same fallacy - that we will always be subjectively isolated from
> >other minds but you'll still have the "proof by peer pressure"...
>
> > Once we start effing, sharing conscious experience, and more
> >or less subjectively escaping from the walls that are now our skull,
> >everyone will wonder how people could have made these silly
> >assumptions: "that all minds will forever be subjectively isolated."
>
> You know very well that only a small number of people (at
> present) accept your ideas about effing. Many people agree
> with Dennett that you'd endup up having to change all of a
> person's unconscious and conscious associations before the
> "effs" would be valid.
>From small experiences through meditation I don't think effing
is inconceivable at all. Nor do I see any scientific or
neurological problems necessarily with it. Changing a person's
unconscious and conscious associations is not so much needed as
allowing the person to switch sets of such associations very
quickly. As the brain moves on faster and more capable hardware
this should not be a huge problem.
It will be interesting to have increased ability to peel
away/temporarily suspend layers of associations and to
experience first hand where the boundaries of *me* appear to be
relative to such.
- samantha>
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