Re: Basing Morality on Emotions

From: John Marlow (johnmarlow@gmx.net)
Date: Sun Apr 22 2001 - 12:58:42 MDT


By our (okay, my) standards, the universe is quite clearly amoral.
Explain morality? Gee, kinda difficult. As hizzonor said of
pornography, I know it when I see it (and it's my flavor). There's a
tribe which always roasts their monkeys alive before consuming them.
I don't know why; it's even possible they feel this is the only way
to properly liberate the spirit for a happy afterlife, or whatever--
and could be a function of their own "morality." (Thus making
morality a product of culture.)

But I'd still stay the hell away from them.

I don't know that I can properly explain the basis of morality, but
I'm stuck with it, and prefer the company of others so afflicted.

We're nicer folk.

  ;)

jm

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On 22 Apr 2001, at 9:40, Lee Corbin wrote:
> John Marlow wrote:
> 
> > Morality seems to be a human construct;
> > certainly not inherent in the universe,
> > which clearly couldn't care less.
> 
> Morality is NOT a human construct!  The idea that morality obtains
> >from culture is one of the most harmful ideas of the 20th century,
> whose insidious consequences can hardly be overstated.  (To be sure,
> traditions and laws issue injunctions as added layers.)
> 
> To a great degree, our morality is in our genes.  (See Matt Ridley,
> "The Origins of Virtue", and other recent works, email me for list.)
> 
> > And I'd argue that it is perfectly rational to conclude that
> > such behavior [murder, mayhem, and genocide] is unacceptable,
> > dangerous to society, and not to be tolerated.  One needn't
> > exercise or indeed possess emotions to reach this conclusion.
> 
> It's certainly not irrational to find murder, mayhem, and genocide
> unacceptable, and I too advocate that we not tolerate it.  But I
> don't understand how you base your value judgments, ultimately, on
> anything besides emotion, including your basic "wants".  Care to
> explain?  (Hint: start with the big questions, why do we want to
> live, why if we live do want to live we want to be better off
> rather than worse off, why should there be anyone but me (or us).)
> 
> And avoid begging the question with "well, evolution made us that
> way".  True, but we already know that---that's how we got our
> emotions.
> 
> Lee Corbin
> 
> 
John Marlow


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