From: Scott Painter (man_immortal@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 15 2000 - 11:04:15 MST
Date: 15 Nov 2000 07:49:28 +0100
From: Anders Sandberg <asa@nada.kth.se>
Subject: Re: Gematria, Cryptology, and Extropic Mysticism
I think the problem here is that people mix up mysticism,
spirituality, magick and the supernatural.
(Hej Anders,
Yea, sorry, everything's the same to me.
I write pages, but summarize and generalize them into single words.)
Mysticism, spirituality, magick, and the supernatural
all represent the same crap.
It's all weird stuff that really effects you deeply.
It's weird and deep stuff.
Deep stuff is weird, and everything effects you somehow,
so I guess it's all just stuff isn't it?
I went from 4 distinct subsets into their superset and related their
superset to all sets and the point of all this is...
WHAT'S THE POINT!
IT'S ALL STUFF!
I'm sick of people saying this or that is or is not extropian!
USE IT!
SEE IF IT HELPS!
SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING!
WORDS ARE CHEAP!
We are talking here again.
I've been here for years.
This list has not done much for me but waste my time.
WHY ARE WE HERE?
There are so many geniuses here...
SOMEBODY MUST HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SAY!?!
SAY IT!!
I am losing all hope.
I've been a transhumanist for years
and all I've learned how to do is alienate myself
by doing things that nobody else does.
All my friends smoke and drink and race towards the grave while getting
blowjobs in fast cars on their way to stuff their faces with fast food and I
have to sit and watch them all die one by one.
In my mind I already think of them as walking corpses.
Nobody trys to live to be 150.
Nobody eats right or exercises.
Nobody studies the things I study.
(replace "nobody" with "only people that don't give a damn about me".)
How in the hell am I going to be able to upload my brain?!?
Is Joe Strout going to do it for me?
Not likely.
How am I going to live on an intergalactic starship
to avoid planetary extinction?
Is NASA going to let me on when they build one in the year 3500?
Not likely.
How am I going to survive that long?
I can make it to 150 if I don't starve to death.
As it is I can't even afford to feed myself.
I'm seriously thinking about moving to Antarctica to hunt seals
because I have no place to live, I'm homeless, poor, anti-social
(at least towards the average intelligences)
I hate everything about everything
because it all represents what I'm trying to overcome.
Everything should be better.
There is no place in society for me because I am trying to make a better
society and society doesn't want to help me change it.
I boycott and I strike because I see evil everywhere.
It's killing me.
I'm going to die and I'm furious.
Do any of you think the world wants to change,
to be changed,
by you?
I can't do this by myself and neither can you,
but I don't see anybody helping me.
People have underground cities that I would love to live in,
but would they let me...
NO!
I want to take a ride in the shuttle...
HAH!
I want to be a nice guy,
but more and more
it seems like I'll have to do alot of killing and stealing
to get anything done.
I'll have to destroy democracy to protect us from the idiots who make the
worlds average IQ plummet.
Nobody will help me with that.
The world has the technology to achieve great things,
but since it's not our stuff then it won't be used for our ideas
and even if it is used for our ideas "they" are not going to let us use it.)
Mysticism is the epistemological position that some truths can or must
be grasped by direct insight, not empirical thought. Spirituality is
about meaning, the core values that we have. It doesn't have to
involve any spirits. Magick,
(There it is the magick word.
Does anybody know any magick?
We need all we can get.)
Transhumanism is out to improve the human condition using efficient
means.
(Are we doing it?)
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