From: Brian D Williams (talon57@well.com)
Date: Thu Sep 21 2000 - 08:17:42 MDT
From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com>
>The full text of the 2nd amendment:
>A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
>free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>not be infringed.
>As is blindingly obvious, well-regulated militias and the
>dependence of the security of free states upon them are the
>reasons given, WITHIN THE 1791 AMENDMENT ITSELF, for preserving
>the right to keep and bear arms.
There is a word for what your trying to pull here, how ironic that
it is today's AWAD.
>eisegesis (eye-si-JEE-sis) noun, plural eisegeses (-seez)
>An interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the
>interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the
>meaning of the text.
>[From Greek eisegesis, equivalent to eis- into + (h)ege- (stem of
>hegeisthai to lead) + -sis.]
>"It should be noted that the Tenth Amendment does not say that
>powers not explicitly delegated to the United States are reserved
>to the states, even though the Supreme Court, in a startling
>example of eisegesis, once read the word explicitly into the text
>of the Tenth Amendment.
> John A. Rohr, Public administration and comparative
>constitutionalism, Public Administration Review, Jul 8, 1997.
>This week's theme: words about words.
>The big thieves hang the little ones. -Czech proverb
The fact of the matter is that we have all of the related writings
from the founding fathers who wrote the 2nd Amendment including
Jefferson, who did in fact re-write it.
We know exactly what they meant, which is completely different from
the way you are trying to interpret it. The intent was always that
individual citizens were to be armed.
The last time the anti-gun faction tried this ploy, they
inadvertantly started the militia movement.
>But the loopholes in the laws could accommodate Mack trucks,
>certainly MAC-10's (previously purchased, or imported, assault
>weapons and clips were grandfathered in). The flea market and gun
>show loophole allows felons to purchase, and the 25% of dealers
>there who are private have no checking requirements on them. And
>about that
>I'm-a-collector-who-buys-a-thousand-of-the-same-model-each-week
>private citizen loophole - guess how the weapons find themselves
>into black markets?
No matter how many laws above the existing 20,000+ gun laws you
create, there will always be loopholes. Or as is more likely the
perpetrators of the crime will simply ignore them all together.
Thats what criminals do Joe, they ignore laws they don't like.
>I've suggested others that would have more effect, and the NICS
>checks will have more effect once more of the relevant records are
>computerized, which is NOT the case presently.
No amount of gun laws will ever accomplish what you have in mind,
that's the whole point.
Registration is just a stepping stone to confiscation, even the 65
to 80 million gun owners who are not members of the NRA know that.
I've a better idea for a law, how about a law that says only NRA
members can own guns? (kidding for the satirically impaired.)
The only thing blindingly obvious is that you will never be happy
till you get your way.
And I won't need to post this twice to try and make my point.
In fact it's time to try and retire this thread again.
Brian
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