From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Mon Sep 18 2000 - 23:33:49 MDT
"Michael S. Lorrey" wrote:
>
> ankara wrote:
> >
> > Dear List Members
> >
> > Some of these posts are disturbing - I cannot descern sarcasm from factual
> > statement; the women from the righteous males. In short, I cannot believe
> > what I'm reading.
> >
> > As a human who happens to reside in female form, I am most interested in
> > your personal pov on forced-pregnancy and abortion. Perhaps you would be
> > willing to share your feelings and experiences:
> > 1. Do you think a female should be forced to endure every pregnancy?
>
> I don't think a female should be forced to get pregnant. Anything else that
> happens is a result of either consensus decisions between her and the male
> involved, or a negotiated settlement or ruling enforced by courts if complete
> consensus is not reached prior to conception. Note that while two people may be
> consensual about having sex, they very likely have not reached a consensus about
> what to do for the next 18 years if she gets pregnant.
Do you believe birth control is wholly effective? No? Do you believe
that human beings have a strong enough urge for sex that they very
nearly must have sexual activity to stay sane for part of their lives?
Maybe yes? Then it is obvious that women cannot fully claim to have
chosen to get pregnant every time they do.
Males, in case you haven't noticed, are much more irresponsible, er
driven to have sex as often as possible and with less consideration of
consequences (as a gender based generality) than females. A male
doesn't have to stick around to bear any consequences and it is
ludricrous to claim that he generally has as much say in whether the
woman decides to abort as she does. Especially if there is no binding
contract between them.
> Sure, but a pregancy does not involve just one body. You are dealing, in fact,
> with three bodies (at a minimum), and any woman so callous as to totally
> disregard the rights and concerns of the other two very likely would be a very
> poor candidate for motherhood anyways, not to mention for being human, but of
> course, there is a matter of context/circumstances, etc.
>
All three bodies do not have equal stakes and one of those bodies is not
even a person but a fetus. So what is it with this wierd position?
Callous my ass. Carry around a fetal parasite within you that you never
wanted at the insistent of people who claim the right to pressure you to
do so and then tell me all these other people and psuedo-people have the
same right and stake.
> > 4. As a female, would you terminate an untimely pregnancy?
>
> Since I'm not, I don't have to worry about that, as a female. As a male, I've
> already once been through an experience where a girlfriend got pregnant, did not
> tell me, went off and got an abortion, and I did not hear about it for a couple
> years from a third party. We broke up before I found out, for likely the same
> reasons she got the abortion: She was an extremely selfish, self-centerd,
> materialistic woman. When I later found out what she did, I cannot say I was at
> all surprised, though I was rather bothered by what she did.
I think the self-centeredness selfishness goes two ways.
- samantha
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