From: Michael S. Lorrey (retroman@turbont.net)
Date: Fri May 05 2000 - 23:45:02 MDT
Eugene Leitl wrote:
>
> Michael S. Lorrey writes:
>
> > Not really Gene. Abortion happens before birth. Two live independent
>
> Point being, an embryo is not a person. It is a potential person.
Sure is, and until national constitutions of at least some countries
confer citizenship based upon location at the time of conception, or
else is strictly upon the citizenship of the parents at the time of
conception, then prenatal potential beings are in legal limbo, and
technically have no rights.
>
> > identical individuals can be best approximated by two infant twins.
> > Killing one of them is most definitely not ok by anyone's stretch of the
> > imagination, as I've even gotten John to concede that point. Bifurcation
> > occurs almost instantly after the point of duplication and separation.
>
> But I thought we were talking about fully synched clones here
> (i.e. deterministic systems, with exactly the same input). Everything
> after a bifurcation are two individua, their trajectories (probably
> exponentially) drifting apart.
Show me a case where perfectly and fully synched clones can occur in
this natural universe.
>
> > Now, if we are dealing with upload copies, that is something entirely
> > different, but only if the copies are not activated, or if the two
>
> You can run n clones, it doesn't matter. Provided, they all start in
> the same state, and all get exactly the same input, they'll remain in
> perfect sync.
However quantum indeterminancy dicates that it is impossible that they
get exactly the same input, therefore, no perfect synch, ergo, instant
individuals.
Mike Lorrey
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