From: Michael S. Lorrey (retroman@turbont.net)
Date: Mon Mar 13 2000 - 22:02:23 MST
Zero Powers wrote:
>
> >From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
> > > > Is it not true that the
> > > NRA opposes any attempt reduce the production of new guns?
> >
> >The federal government is not permitted to control the quantity of guns
> >produced except under martial law conditions. The government does not
> >make the guns, it is a private industry.
>
> Your statement does not negate the truth of mine.
You have yet to show that your statement has any merit.
>
> > > Is it not true
> > > that the NRA is opposed to reducing the number of guns now in
> >circulation?
> >
> >Gun buybacks have been shown to have absolutely no effect on crime. Gun
> >confiscations would obviously start a civil war.
>
> Again, your statement does not negate the truth of mine.
You have yet to show that your statement has any merit.
>
> > > Is it not true that there are more guns in America than there are
> >Americans?
> >
> >No there are not. There are over 250 million Americans, and between 200
> >and 240 million guns.
>
> Where do you get this statistic? What is the date of it? And even if it is
> accurate, what practical difference does it make? Especially when you
> consider that a fair percentage of the Americans included in the statistic
> consist of children, infants, invalids, convicts and ex-convicts? Even
> assuming the accuracy of your statistic, surely the number of guns far
> outnumbers the number of sane, competent and law-abiding adults who are
> legally permitted to own them.
>
> > > Is it not true that the NRA sees no problem with the ratio of guns to
> > > people? Please stop me when I've said something that is not true.
> >
> >Ok, I have stopped you. The only people who see a problem with this are
> >those that think that Americans have no right to keep and bear arms.
> >Such people are fascists and should be treated as such.
>
> Again, your statement does not negate the truth of mine. Furthermore, your
> statement is untrue. I think there is a problem with a country that
> contains more guns than legal gun-owners.
I have:
1) two pistols of different sizes for personal protection (each for use
in different climates or social situations).
2) a shotgun for bird hunting and clay target shooting
3) a muzzle loading rifle for hunting deer during muzzle loading deer
hunting season.
4) a .270 semiautomatic hunting rifle for use during regular deer
hunting season
> Especially when that country
5) a .300 winmag Savage 110 Tactical target rifle to compete in high
power bolt action rifle matches.
6) a compact collapsable .22 rifle for carrying on hiking/canoe trips
(the gun floats when its parts are stowed inside its stock).
7) a .44 caliber muzzle loading percussion revolver, a reproduction of a
Colt 1860 Navy Pistol, which I use as an alternate sidearm during deer
season.
8) an M-11 submachine gun with a supressor, which I use for fun at the
range.
I plan on getting two or three more guns this year for hunting purposes.
Every gun I own, or plan on owning, has its own purpose, none of which
is to commit crimes. I happen to know gun collectors, who have never
fired a round in anger, who own over 20,000 guns each. They are not
militia nuts, they are not white supremacists, and they are not gang
bangers or gun dealers. They are law abiding citizens, many who are well
respected in the community, who like to collect guns.
> compounds that problem by a complete failure to make these dangerous
> instrumentalities as safe as they can practically be, and the fact that gun
> owners unnecessarily enjoy more anonymity than car owners.
You don't have a right to drive a car, it is a priviledge, and btw, any
felon can get a drivers license, even though cars kill more people than
guns (and there are fewer cars than guns), and its far easier for a
felon to buy a car than a gun.
> Japan does not
> allow every wacko in the country to own a gun. Does that make the Japanese
> government a fascist regime?
yes it does. tyranny by majority, and a historical desire to please
their conquerors (we made them give up their guns). Japan's violent
crime rate has also been skyrocketing the last few years....
>
> >"The tree of liberty, from time to time, needs to be watered with the
> >blood of tyrants and patriots." - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Perhaps. But it bothers me that it is usually the 2nd Amendment hardliners
> who feel that they get to do the watering.
Who else would? Nobody else thinks that their freedoms are more
important that having a police state gestapo telling them what to do.
>
> >Isn't this fun?
>
> Marginally.
"If you can't stand the heat..."
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