M Rivero's: Re: Guns Guns

[PANGELETTI at bmg.bhs.uab.edu]

This is really a bunch of propagandist bunk that doesn't belong here.  I 
am sorry you apparently have an axe to grind, but woefully, nobody here 
cares.  Kindly sink back into the swamp, thank you.   

> Nice try at misdirection. It's true Americans have a traditional
>connection with guns. We used guns to free ourselves from British
>domination, and the development of "interchangeable parts" spurred 
>America's
>early indistrial boom. Certainly for most of our history we have served
>as armourers to the world. Americans won the west  with the gun.


 > Yes, other nations have gun control, and as a result, they have fewer
>gun deaths. That does NOT mean that have fewer deaths.

 > Japan, for example, has a traditional and historical attachment to
>edged weapons, and make the finest swords in all the world (the finest
>in modern times being made by Yasuhiro Kobayashi). The wearing of 
>swords
>has been outlawed in Japan just as the wearing of guns is outlawed 
>here.
>But in Japan, killing by knife is preferred to using a gun. It's 
>quieter,
>knives are cheap and freely available, and leave no bullets which can
>be matched to a weapon still in your possession.

 > But the victims are still just as dead.

  >The most stringent gun control in the world today is in Jamaica. 
>Because
>the criminals feel safe that all sheep are disarmed, street crime is
>running epidemic, and people die, not by guns, but by just about every
>other means.

  >In this country, women kill by crying "abuse" and setting their 
>husbands on fire.

  >People kill when they feel they can get away with it, using any 
>weapon
>they can. Poison, fire, knives, clubs, trained attack snails, whatever.


 >Let's conduct a thought experiment.


  >Theoretical population of 1000. 10 have criminal intent. 1 is 
>smuggling
>drugs to make LOTS-O-MONEY. He/she sells to the criminals, who in turn
>sell it to a few others who are not criminals other than using the 
>drugs.

  >In this first case, guns are illegal.

 > A dispute over sales territory breaks out. Our smuggler is also 
>running
>a few guns on the side, and sells some to the 10 criminals who start
>shooting each other in the streets. Innocent bystanders get killed.

  >The non-armed population is terrified. The crime problem takes
>precidence over issues of civil rights and personal liberty.
>The smuggler uses his/her LOTS-O-MONEY to run for elected office 
>claiming he/she can end the crime in the streets.  He/she gets elected, 
>rigs the courts so that the criminals are always returned to the 
>streets
>to keep up just enough fear to prevent the sheep from thinking about
>personal liberties. Instead of smuggling, the elected smuggler
>now has taxes with which to make LOTS-O-MONEY.


 > The historical facts are....

>1.  No gun control has ever worked to reduce crime.

>2. Guns don't kill, nor does the NRA.  People, when motivated to kill, 
>will use whatever means are available. Only recently, an American
>woman strapped her two children into a car and shoved them into 
>a lake, watching for 45 minutes until the car sank and the children
>drowned. 

>3. Every general disarmament has preceded a genocide. Hitler banned 
>guns
>and killed 6 million Jews. Stalin banned guns then proceeded to kill
>20 million Russians. Cambodia outlawed guns just a few years before
>the "Killing Kields".  

{Oh, how interesting, you are so smart!}

4. No disarmament plan put forward by any government takes guns away 
from the police and the government agencies, only from the law 
abiding citizens. Certainly, in the case of the Rodney King beating,
not all police can be trusted to act appropriatly in a situation
of total force superiority. And if saving lives is your argument,
then disarming the BATF would have CERTAINLY saved lives at
Ruby Ridge and Waco!




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**OK, so what do you want from us, are we being robbed?!
Good luck with your career!
Peter C. Angeletti
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics
University of Alabama at Birmingham
Adenovirus Replication
PAngeletti at BMG.BHS.UAB.EDU
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