Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F089171F for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pf0-f170.google.com (mail-pf0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0528431 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l24so21358680pfj.6 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:49:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=friedenbach-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=nPAsdZybDVr86UQAkjlY9sgiAzKbJaUIRJx0nGVxBsc=; b=hBISf7iMvgVWfwky/skcFClNO2mz2ObqXsrfQx3kCrDpDuD1eOPa0aVSuGO9VPft80 xLYgfdDrfQhuGYt/tqJfyZtOupezotCGtNJVub3DK9xWTmzjLGgsjQmxWCcC58Jnes3Y K7h4LIh67dVOBlPc7DxtessQOUiaw6Al8lU8PwHILav14AIGqUy44W6/F3+qTT+idzzj t+JtP4yNN29EYCSFOLpTHOciBjBwhjScyCudSjAtGuyh+PvKxeMkPqHhn6Ah8P02GZre a0qvIBo2b5n5M5R53Gqo1XaImxa5iNQ1x5YXpxZkFb58jAKPtj1Ks42sX5uW7cZvWZiW FOgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=nPAsdZybDVr86UQAkjlY9sgiAzKbJaUIRJx0nGVxBsc=; b=uOip/oqpCqtYQLV+funG6DiKGUoggi/9tl+MCYRPZUcPxRNq46s5N2yfSBngv7a3kd hccopmm4t9isMn9T5CxvhhKjp74oIWPXiUVjziPceDj9jNm11OBtY0E12gYBYKSNsHkM Kjac0fEvzbDrklVCs7psw6Xgym+CspW42eK1zx2dAKXLBt8RclEX5Cg7ezBIevV148WO h/JTW4INy8UfdH0+CtjqOl2BweRu8ncRgKD5Jltv16dWIwQ5onoMid7mlsAvVPZnGVE7 vxB7I/+VUMZQmWItZdivpizLjYogoyQjnr6lRmR/Mxndm0sd9YdIsWsAg0URREy7Woo0 Gmhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJKv+DsrIKi4nr96nPqMUBjoy9dC72jmvPaon7TMs6tiOwaNuUK hzd+4HebgnAKZwSvOqPb75ciU4/T5DU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBot+R6+kVXsT/h4sWZqLwkYCzddQ/Woi0mkgtXHADw2exsCT4bTjjjvuQeMTKGCMtaFTBICM+g== X-Received: by 10.98.234.7 with SMTP id t7mr32614909pfh.88.1514494187057; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2607:fb90:9d1e:773:5c1b:78d5:d7d8:5b7e? ([2607:fb90:9d1e:773:5c1b:78d5:d7d8:5b7e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w84sm77702429pfk.16.2017.12.28.12.49.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Friedenbach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:49:38 -0800 Message-Id: <6A60B31A-41CE-40FF-A604-05EB97CAA3B4@friedenbach.org> References: In-Reply-To: To: DKBryant@gmail.com, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15C153) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Transaction aging to relieve user concerns. X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:49:49 -0000 However users can=E2=80=99t know with any certainty whether transactions wil= l =E2=80=9Cage out=E2=80=9D as indicated, since this is only relay policy. E= xceeding the specified timeout doesn=E2=80=99t prevent a miner from includin= g it in the chain, and therefore doesn=E2=80=99t really provide any actionab= le information. > On Dec 28, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev wrote: >=20 > The goal here is to make it easier for users to know with better certainty= when an TXN is going to age out