Return-Path: <earonesty@gmail.com> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59528C61 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:05:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-qt0-f172.google.com (mail-qt0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E43E1E2 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u19so15246753qta.3 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 11:05:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=vW7E8qR+dGfwbMIjZeLbMNS2trjtClHofnCMPJjOgfk=; b=uTRT1kKg7fVxP1J7lFWcuzH19rz1UcCJZfnTsFvCzXxoCferqIsQ73nIEBiejqMafo 0RmYzkyMs50dRAqiHCoGx3FCOHOWtxGfcfp9cJqle3RqAEDpgLEXt3QKIn2tEqfB+R0g BX7Uf5XWYcIhEXL1PGnqhi7w5XK6wKCwWMclVajH52z6fRNMkIYiSP+JpYWuXV4/45mV ROzpopfEM2a32mGAE3x8ks09MxD3ROhqOQIjeC6YRzEz9N7gbD5QojNVqNp62AflQMV3 EiUpAuZsP9Tg0b+IiNYyX7sCRf641PGEd11nrPV2qrws7jtU1HDti9+xUUCHJhp2X8PX IAKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vW7E8qR+dGfwbMIjZeLbMNS2trjtClHofnCMPJjOgfk=; b=i+JVvhLH9FBGEQ/+qvoMVO8rFUSOUmiNIPxLNVrT7XEmcNT/BP4X4tmW267y/QooRa YiLELN+Ty+ML7AkylJdmyFr/WLG9mnZOgeUfTZjGnon2xSUWymTFhc7KxKyM9Ga0rRri FzIEKM6TBlsArknK06iNoSgBrGnKmLwb4f8wupAZpaXJT2CXYlyDI5nK65BPhTF8blpx uFxxRMuB44xhBJ/XAyS8N9NppbjZaWsypn3v6UQ6oOEkSeBWiN4xl+a7WsdbUvIZeB+U e951mjNVxwu0jheMzU71vIEKD2bWlOMzuB2AQGW+UWsg0Lk3Y1wzYSpzNIw+fgrs/6wU G1Qw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDqLKQaS0aWAKzG1BbHS3R7itI7n1z9tMmk97zFVwJXQ9Oki2/s kwHYEB+sDlmA7W9ImFhyrCd7qCexcRXe8m0= X-Received: by 10.200.34.98 with SMTP id p31mr45348295qtp.2.1496858753039; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 11:05:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: earonesty@gmail.com Received: by 10.237.48.102 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:05:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAUaCyiKs9cDa6vC=8VpyT8vY5L8U0=H=+N48dJzLn1GMj3dmA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CADvTj4qpH-t5Gx6qyn3yToyUE_GFaBE989=AWNHLKMpMNW3R+w@mail.gmail.com> <AE5BA251-9DA6-4E34-A748-11C8CF91977C@taoeffect.com> <CADvTj4q+oOS=DKfpiNQ6PAbksQfa1gKNfokr2Zc6PNGWqLyL4A@mail.gmail.com> <0CDEF5A2-0BAF-46E4-8906-39D4724AF3F2@taoeffect.com> <CADvTj4oJr38V+b=96pt7GiaMMSPujsz9wQ-5wmgM=rvWUC8Dkw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJowKgJi-68G5Xy1_8n_BOX5e8myj08_SPiFu+cdWsRD4DNy4w@mail.gmail.com> <CAAUaCyiKs9cDa6vC=8VpyT8vY5L8U0=H=+N48dJzLn1GMj3dmA@mail.gmail.com> From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:05:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3vHPNsTv6ReKcbQxMWUx_0w0eEo Message-ID: <CAJowKgK52vo8c2v2AoSMoTzdL_YsHPNGZqJOy1HWPRdBPTb1uw@mail.gmail.com> To: Jacob Eliosoff <jacob.eliosoff@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11403b7a41021e0551629628" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 18:11:18 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] User Activated Soft Fork Split Protection X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 18:05:56 -0000 --001a11403b7a41021e0551629628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > But passing it off as the safest defense is bad faith. Without this option, a miner has to guess whether a split will be economically impacting. With this option, his miner will automatically switch to the chain least likely to get wiped out... as soon as a simple majority of miners supports it. On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Jacob Eliosoff <jacob.eliosoff@gmail.com> wrote: > This is not the safest defense against a split. If 70% of miners run > "splitprotection", and 0.1% run BIP148, there's no "safety"/"defense" > reason for splitprotection to activate segwit. It should only do so if > *BIP148* support (NB: not just segwit support!) >50%. > > The truly defensive logic is "If the majority supports orphaning > non-segwit blocks starting Aug 1, I'll join them." > > If the real goal of this BIP is to induce miners to run segwit, then fair > enough. But passing it off as the safest defense is bad faith. > > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> This is, by far, the safest way for miners to quickly defend against a >> chain split, much better than a -bip148 option. This allows miners to >> defend themselves, with very little risk, since the defense is only >> activated if the majority of miners do so. I would move for a very rapid >> deployment. Only miners would need to upgrade. Regular users would not >> have to concern themselves with this release. >> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:13 AM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev < >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >> >>> I think even 55% would probably work out fine simply due to incentive >>> structures, once signalling is over 51% it's then clear to miners that >>> non-signalling blocks will be orphaned and the rest will rapidly >>> update to splitprotection/BIP148. The purpose of this BIP is to reduce >>> chain split risk for BIP148 since it's looking like BIP148 is going to >>> be run by a non-insignificant percentage of the economy at a minimum. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> >>> wrote: >>> > See thread on replay attacks for why activating regardless of >>> threshold is a >>> > bad idea [1]. >>> > >>> > BIP91 OTOH seems perfectly reasonable. 80% instead of 95% makes it more >>> > difficult for miners to hold together in opposition to Core. It gives >>> Core >>> > more leverage in negotiations. >>> > >>> > If they don't activate with 80%, Core can release another BIP to >>> reduce it >>> > to 75%. >>> > >>> > Each threshold reduction makes it both more likely to succeed, but also >>> > increases the likelihood of harm to the ecosystem. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Greg >>> > >>> > [1] >>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017 >>> -June/014497.html >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also >>> sharing >>> > with the NSA. >>> > >>> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:54 PM, James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > This is a BIP8 style soft fork so mandatory signalling will be active >>> > after Aug 1st regardless. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > What is the probability that a 65% threshold is too low and can allow a >>> > "surprise miner attack", whereby miners are kept offline before the >>> > deadline, and brought online immediately after, creating potential >>> havoc? >>> > >>> > (Nit: "simple majority" usually refers to >50%, I think, might cause >>> > confusion.) >>> > >>> > -Greg Slepak >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also >>> sharing >>> > with the NSA. >>> > >>> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev >>> > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Due to the proposed calendar(https://segwit2x.github.io/) for the >>> > SegWit2x agreement being too slow to activate SegWit mandatory >>> > signalling ahead of BIP148 using BIP91 I would like to propose another >>> > option that miners can use to prevent a chain split ahead of the Aug >>> > 1st BIP148 activation date. >>> > >>> > The splitprotection soft fork is essentially BIP91 but using BIP8 >>> > instead of BIP9 with a lower activation threshold and immediate >>> > mandatory signalling lock-in. This allows for a majority of miners to >>> > activate mandatory SegWit signalling and prevent a potential chain >>> > split ahead of BIP148 activation. >>> > >>> > This BIP allows for miners to respond to market forces quickly ahead >>> > of BIP148 activation by signalling for splitprotection. Any miners >>> > already running BIP148 should be encouraged to use splitprotection. >>> > >>> > <pre> >>> > BIP: splitprotection >>> > Layer: Consensus (soft fork) >>> > Title: User Activated Soft Fork Split Protection >>> > Author: James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@gmail.com> >>> > Comments-Summary: No comments yet. >>> > Comments-URI: >>> > Status: Draft >>> > Type: Standards Track >>> > Created: 2017-05-22 >>> > License: BSD-3-Clause >>> > CC0-1.0 >>> > </pre> >>> > >>> > ==Abstract== >>> > >>> > This document specifies a coordination mechanism for a simple majority >>> > of miners to prevent a chain split ahead of BIP148 activation. >>> > >>> > ==Definitions== >>> > >>> > "existing segwit deployment" refer to the BIP9 "segwit" deployment >>> > using bit 1, between November 15th 2016 and November 15th 2017 to >>> > activate BIP141, BIP143 and BIP147. >>> > >>> > ==Motivation== >>> > >>> > The biggest risk of BIP148 is an extended chain split, this BIP >>> > provides a way for a simple majority of miners to eliminate that risk. >>> > >>> > This BIP provides a way for a simple majority of miners to coordinate >>> > activation of the existing segwit deployment with less than 95% >>> > hashpower before BIP148 activation. Due to time constraints unless >>> > immediately deployed BIP91 will likely not be able to enforce >>> > mandatory signalling of segwit before the Aug 1st activation of >>> > BIP148. This BIP provides a method for rapid miner activation of >>> > SegWit mandatory signalling ahead of the BIP148 activation date. Since >>> > the primary goal of this BIP is to reduce the chance of an extended >>> > chain split as much as possible we activate using a simple miner >>> > majority of 65% over a 504 block interval rather than a higher >>> > percentage. This BIP also allows miners to signal their intention to >>> > run BIP148 in order to prevent a chain split. >>> > >>> > ==Specification== >>> > >>> > While this BIP is active, all blocks must set the nVersion header top >>> > 3 bits to 001 together with bit field (1<<1) (according to the >>> > existing segwit deployment). Blocks that do not signal as required >>> > will be rejected. >>> > >>> > ==Deployment== >>> > >>> > This BIP will be deployed by "version bits" with a 65%(this can be >>> > adjusted if desired) activation threshold BIP9 with the name >>> > "splitprotecion" and using bit 2. >>> > >>> > This BIP starts immediately and is a BIP8 style soft fork since >>> > mandatory signalling will start on midnight August 1st 2017 (epoch >>> > time 1501545600) regardless of whether or not this BIP has reached its >>> > own signalling threshold. This BIP will cease to be active when segwit >>> > is locked-in. >>> > >>> > === Reference implementation === >>> > >>> > <pre> >>> > // Check if Segregated Witness is Locked In >>> > bool IsWitnessLockedIn(const CBlockIndex* pindexPrev, const >>> > Consensus::Params& params) >>> > { >>> > LOCK(cs_main); >>> > return (VersionBitsState(pindexPrev, params, >>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT, versionbitscache) == >>> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN); >>> > } >>> > >>> > // SPLITPROTECTION mandatory segwit signalling. >>> > if ( VersionBitsState(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus(), >>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SPLITPROTECTION, versionbitscache) == >>> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN && >>> > !IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) && >>> > // Segwit is not locked in >>> > !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) ) // >>> > and is not active. >>> > { >>> > bool fVersionBits = (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) == >>> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS; >>> > bool fSegbit = (pindex->nVersion & >>> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(), >>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) != 0; >>> > if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) { >>> > return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must >>> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit"); >>> > } >>> > } >>> > >>> > // BIP148 mandatory segwit signalling. >>> > int64_t nMedianTimePast = pindex->GetMedianTimePast(); >>> > if ( (nMedianTimePast >= 1501545600) && // Tue 01 Aug 2017 00:00:00 >>> UTC >>> > (nMedianTimePast <= 1510704000) && // Wed 15 Nov 2017 00:00:00 UTC >>> > (!IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) && >>> > // Segwit is not locked in >>> > !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus())) ) >>> > // and is not active. >>> > { >>> > bool fVersionBits = (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) == >>> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS; >>> > bool fSegbit = (pindex->nVersion & >>> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(), >>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) != 0; >>> > if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) { >>> > return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must >>> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit"); >>> > } >>> > } >>> > </pre> >>> > >>> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0.14...jameshilli >>> ard:splitprotection-v0.14.1 >>> > >>> > ==Backwards Compatibility== >>> > >>> > This deployment is compatible with the existing "segwit" bit 1 >>> > deployment scheduled between midnight November 15th, 2016 and midnight >>> > November 15th, 2017. This deployment is also compatible with the >>> > existing BIP148 deployment. This BIP is compatible with BIP91 only if >>> > BIP91 activates before it and before BIP148. Miners will need to >>> > upgrade their nodes to support splitprotection otherwise they may >>> > build on top of an invalid block. While this bip is active users >>> > should either upgrade to splitprotection or wait for additional >>> > confirmations when accepting payments. >>> > >>> > ==Rationale== >>> > >>> > Historically we have used IsSuperMajority() to activate soft forks >>> > such as BIP66 which has a mandatory signalling requirement for miners >>> > once activated, this ensures that miners are aware of new rules being >>> > enforced. This technique can be leveraged to lower the signalling >>> > threshold of a soft fork while it is in the process of being deployed >>> > in a backwards compatible way. We also use a BIP8 style timeout to >>> > ensure that this BIP is compatible with BIP148 and that BIP148 >>> > compatible mandatory signalling activates regardless of miner >>> > signalling levels. >>> > >>> > By orphaning non-signalling blocks during the BIP9 bit 1 "segwit" >>> > deployment, this BIP can cause the existing "segwit" deployment to >>> > activate without needing to release a new deployment. As we approach >>> > BIP148 activation it may be desirable for a majority of miners to have >>> > a method that will ensure that there is no chain split. >>> > >>> > ==References== >>> > >>> > *[https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/20 >>> 17-March/013714.html >>> > Mailing list discussion] >>> > *[https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.0/src/main.cp >>> p#L1281-L1283 >>> > P2SH flag day activation] >>> > *[[bip-0009.mediawiki|BIP9 Version bits with timeout and delay]] >>> > *[[bip-0016.mediawiki|BIP16 Pay to Script Hash]] >>> > *[[bip-0091.mediawiki|BIP91 Reduced threshold Segwit MASF]] >>> > *[[bip-0141.mediawiki|BIP141 Segregated Witness (Consensus layer)]] >>> > *[[bip-0143.mediawiki|BIP143 Transaction Signature Verification for >>> > Version 0 Witness Program]] >>> > *[[bip-0147.mediawiki|BIP147 Dealing with dummy stack element >>> malleability]] >>> > *[[bip-0148.mediawiki|BIP148 Mandatory activation of segwit >>> deployment]] >>> > *[[bip-0149.mediawiki|BIP149 Segregated Witness (second deployment)]] >>> > *[https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/ Segwit >>> benefits] >>> > >>> > ==Copyright== >>> > >>> > This document is dual licensed as BSD 3-clause, and Creative Commons >>> > CC0 1.0 Universal. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > --001a11403b7a41021e0551629628 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> But passing it off as the safest defense is bad = faith.<br><br>Without this option, a miner has to guess whether a split wil= l be economically impacting.=C2=A0=C2=A0 With this option, his miner will a= utomatically switch to the chain least likely to get wiped out... as soon a= s a simple majority of miners supports it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br><= /div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed= , Jun 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Jacob Eliosoff <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"= mailto:jacob.eliosoff@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jacob.eliosoff@gmail.com= </a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><= div>This is not the safest defense against a split.=C2=A0 If 70% of miners = run "splitprotection", and 0.1% run BIP148, there's no "= safety"/"defense" reason for splitprotection to activate seg= wit.=C2=A0 It should only do so if *BIP148* support (NB: not just segwit su= pport!) >50%.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The truly defensive logic is = "If the majority supports orphaning non-segwit blocks starting Aug 1, = I'll join them."</div><div><br></div><div>If the real goal of this= BIP is to induce miners to run segwit, then fair enough.=C2=A0 But passing= it off as the safest defense is bad faith.</div><div><br></div></div><div = class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoi= n-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda= tion.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a>&= gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 = 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>T= his is, by far, the safest way for miners to quickly defend against a chain= split, much better than a -bip148 option.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This allows miners t= o defend themselves, with very little risk, since the defense is only activ= ated if the majority of miners do so. I would move for a very rapid deploym= ent.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Only miners would need to upgrade.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regular use= rs would not have to concern themselves with this release.<br></div></div><= div class=3D"m_4542892957492321950HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_45428929574923219= 50h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun= 7, 2017 at 6:13 AM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<= a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">b= itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu= ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s= olid;padding-left:1ex">I think even 55% would probably work out fine simply= due to incentive<br> structures, once signalling is over 51% it's then clear to miners that<= br> non-signalling blocks will be orphaned and the rest will rapidly<br> update to splitprotection/BIP148. The purpose of this BIP is to reduce<br> chain split risk for BIP148 since it's looking like BIP148 is going to<= br> be run by a non-insignificant percentage of the economy at a minimum.<br> <div class=3D"m_4542892957492321950m_1119537463429105949HOEnZb"><div class= =3D"m_4542892957492321950m_1119537463429105949h5"><br> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Tao Effect <<a href=3D"mailto:contact@t= aoeffect.com" target=3D"_blank">contact@taoeffect.com</a>> wrote:<br> > See thread on replay attacks for why activating regardless of threshol= d is a<br> > bad idea [1].<br> ><br> > BIP91 OTOH seems perfectly reasonable. 80% instead of 95% makes it mor= e<br> > difficult for miners to hold together in opposition to Core. It gives = Core<br> > more leverage in negotiations.<br> ><br> > If they don't activate with 80%, Core can release another BIP to r= educe it<br> > to 75%.<br> ><br> > Each threshold reduction makes it both more likely to succeed, but als= o<br> > increases the likelihood of harm to the ecosystem.<br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> > Greg<br> ><br> > [1]<br> > <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/201= 7-June/014497.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linu= xfoundation.<wbr>org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017<wbr>-June/014497.html</a><b= r> ><br> > --<br> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also shar= ing<br> > with the NSA.<br> ><br> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:54 PM, James Hilliard <<a href=3D"mailto:james= .hilliard1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">james.hilliard1@gmail.com</a>><b= r> > wrote:<br> ><br> > This is a BIP8 style soft fork so mandatory signalling will be active<= br> > after Aug 1st regardless.<br> ><br> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Tao Effect <<a href=3D"mailto:conta= ct@taoeffect.com" target=3D"_blank">contact@taoeffect.com</a>> wrote:<br= > ><br> > What is the probability that a 65% threshold is too low and can allow = a<br> > "surprise miner attack", whereby miners are kept offline bef= ore the<br> > deadline, and brought online immediately after, creating potential hav= oc?<br> ><br> > (Nit: "simple majority" usually refers to >50%, I think, = might cause<br> > confusion.)<br> ><br> > -Greg Slepak<br> ><br> > --<br> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also shar= ing<br> > with the NSA.<br> ><br> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev<br> > <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D= "_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Due to the proposed calendar(<a href=3D"https://segwit2x.github.io/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://segwit2x.gith<wbr>ub.io/</a>) f= or the<br> > SegWit2x agreement being too slow to activate SegWit mandatory<br> > signalling ahead of BIP148 using BIP91 I would like to propose another= <br> > option that miners can use to prevent a chain split ahead of the Aug<b= r> > 1st BIP148 activation date.<br> ><br> > The splitprotection soft fork is essentially BIP91 but using BIP8<br> > instead of BIP9 with a lower activation threshold and immediate<br> > mandatory signalling lock-in. This allows for a majority of miners to<= br> > activate mandatory SegWit signalling and prevent a potential chain<br> > split ahead of BIP148 activation.<br> ><br> > This BIP allows for miners to respond to market forces quickly ahead<b= r> > of BIP148 activation by signalling for splitprotection. Any miners<br> > already running BIP148 should be encouraged to use splitprotection.<br= > ><br> > <pre><br> > BIP: splitprotection<br> > Layer: Consensus (soft fork)<br> > Title: User Activated Soft Fork Split Protection<br> > Author: James Hilliard <<a href=3D"mailto:james.hilliard1@gmail.com= " target=3D"_blank">james.hilliard1@gmail.com</a>><br> > Comments-Summary: No comments yet.<br> > Comments-URI:<br> > Status: Draft<br> > Type: Standards Track<br> > Created: 2017-05-22<br> > License: BSD-3-Clause<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 CC0-1.0<br> > </pre><br> ><br> > =3D=3DAbstract=3D=3D<br> ><br> > This document specifies a coordination mechanism for a simple majority= <br> > of miners to prevent a chain split ahead of BIP148 activation.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DDefinitions=3D=3D<br> ><br> > "existing segwit deployment" refer to the BIP9 "segwit&= quot; deployment<br> > using bit 1, between November 15th 2016 and November 15th 2017 to<br> > activate BIP141, BIP143 and BIP147.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DMotivation=3D=3D<br> ><br> > The biggest risk of BIP148 is an extended chain split, this BIP<br> > provides a way for a simple majority of miners to eliminate that risk.= <br> ><br> > This BIP provides a way for a simple majority of miners to coordinate<= br> > activation of the existing segwit deployment with less than 95%<br> > hashpower before BIP148 activation. Due to time constraints unless<br> > immediately deployed BIP91 will likely not be able to enforce<br> > mandatory signalling of segwit before the Aug 1st activation of<br> > BIP148. This BIP provides a method for rapid miner activation of<br> > SegWit mandatory signalling ahead of the BIP148 activation date. Since= <br> > the primary goal of this BIP is to reduce the chance of an extended<br= > > chain split as much as possible we activate using a simple miner<br> > majority of 65% over a 504 block interval rather than a higher<br> > percentage. This BIP also allows miners to signal their intention to<b= r> > run BIP148 in order to prevent a chain split.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DSpecification=3D=3D<br> ><br> > While this BIP is active, all blocks must set the nVersion header top<= br> > 3 bits to 001 together with bit field (1<<1) (according to the<b= r> > existing segwit deployment). Blocks that do not signal as required<br> > will be rejected.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DDeployment=3D=3D<br> ><br> > This BIP will be deployed by "version bits" with a 65%(this = can be<br> > adjusted if desired) activation threshold BIP9 with the name<br> > "splitprotecion" and using bit 2.<br> ><br> > This BIP starts immediately and is a BIP8 style soft fork since<br> > mandatory signalling will start on midnight August 1st 2017 (epoch<br> > time 1501545600) regardless of whether or not this BIP has reached its= <br> > own signalling threshold. This BIP will cease to be active when segwit= <br> > is locked-in.<br> ><br> > =3D=3D=3D Reference implementation =3D=3D=3D<br> ><br> > <pre><br> > // Check if Segregated Witness is Locked In<br> > bool IsWitnessLockedIn(const CBlockIndex* pindexPrev, const<br> > Consensus::Params& params)<br> > {<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0LOCK(cs_main);<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0return (VersionBitsState(pindexPrev, params,<br> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT, versionbitscache) =3D=3D<br> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN);<br> > }<br> ><br> > // SPLITPROTECTION mandatory segwit signalling.<br> > if ( VersionBitsState(pindex->pprev<wbr>, chainparams.GetConsensus(= ),<br> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SPLITPRO<wbr>TECTION, versionbitscache) =3D=3D<b= r> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN &&<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 !IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->ppr<wbr>ev, chainparams.Get= Consensus()) &&<br> > // Segwit is not locked in<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->ppre<wbr>v, chainparams.GetC= onsensus()) ) //<br> > and is not active.<br> > {<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0bool fVersionBits =3D (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBI= TS_TOP_MASK) =3D=3D<br> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0bool fSegbit =3D (pindex->nVersion &<br> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.Ge<wbr>tConsensus(),<br> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) !=3D 0;<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock= (): relayed block must<br> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no= -segwit");<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br> > }<br> ><br> > // BIP148 mandatory segwit signalling.<br> > int64_t nMedianTimePast =3D pindex->GetMedianTimePast();<br> > if ( (nMedianTimePast >=3D 1501545600) &&=C2=A0 // Tue 01 A= ug 2017 00:00:00 UTC<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (nMedianTimePast <=3D 1510704000) &&=C2=A0 // = Wed 15 Nov 2017 00:00:00 UTC<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (!IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pp<wbr>rev, chainparams.Ge= tConsensus()) &&<br> > // Segwit is not locked in<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0!IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->ppr<wbr>ev, chainparam= s.GetConsensus())) )<br> > // and is not active.<br> > {<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0bool fVersionBits =3D (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBI= TS_TOP_MASK) =3D=3D<br> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0bool fSegbit =3D (pindex->nVersion &<br> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.Ge<wbr>tConsensus(),<br> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) !=3D 0;<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock= (): relayed block must<br> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no= -segwit");<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br> > }<br> > </pre><br> ><br> > <a href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0.14...jameshill= iard:splitprotection-v0.14.1" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://= github.com/bitcoin/bit<wbr>coin/compare/0.14...jameshilli<wbr>ard:splitprot= ection-v0.14.1</a><br> ><br> > =3D=3DBackwards Compatibility=3D=3D<br> ><br> > This deployment is compatible with the existing "segwit" bit= 1<br> > deployment scheduled between midnight November 15th, 2016 and midnight= <br> > November 15th, 2017. This deployment is also compatible with the<br> > existing BIP148 deployment. This BIP is compatible with BIP91 only if<= br> > BIP91 activates before it and before BIP148. Miners will need to<br> > upgrade their nodes to support splitprotection otherwise they may<br> > build on top of an invalid block. While this bip is active users<br> > should either upgrade to splitprotection or wait for additional<br> > confirmations when accepting payments.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DRationale=3D=3D<br> ><br> > Historically we have used IsSuperMajority() to activate soft forks<br> > such as BIP66 which has a mandatory signalling requirement for miners<= br> > once activated, this ensures that miners are aware of new rules being<= br> > enforced. This technique can be leveraged to lower the signalling<br> > threshold of a soft fork while it is in the process of being deployed<= br> > in a backwards compatible way. We also use a BIP8 style timeout to<br> > ensure that this BIP is compatible with BIP148 and that BIP148<br> > compatible mandatory signalling activates regardless of miner<br> > signalling levels.<br> ><br> > By orphaning non-signalling blocks during the BIP9 bit 1 "segwit&= quot;<br> > deployment, this BIP can cause the existing "segwit" deploym= ent to<br> > activate without needing to release a new deployment. As we approach<b= r> > BIP148 activation it may be desirable for a majority of miners to have= <br> > a method that will ensure that there is no chain split.<br> ><br> > =3D=3DReferences=3D=3D<br> ><br> > *[<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2= 017-March/013714.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.l= inuxfoundatio<wbr>n.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/20<wbr>17-March/013714.html</= a><br> > Mailing list discussion]<br> > *[<a href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.0/src/main.c= pp#L1281-L1283" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/bit= coin/b<wbr>itcoin/blob/v0.6.0/src/main.cp<wbr>p#L1281-L1283</a><br> > P2SH flag day activation]<br> > *[[bip-0009.mediawiki|BIP9 Version bits with timeout and delay]]<br> > *[[bip-0016.mediawiki|BIP16 Pay to Script Hash]]<br> > *[[bip-0091.mediawiki|BIP91 Reduced threshold Segwit MASF]]<br> > *[[bip-0141.mediawiki|BIP141 Segregated Witness (Consensus layer)]]<br= > > *[[bip-0143.mediawiki|BIP143 Transaction Signature Verification for<br= > > Version 0 Witness Program]]<br> > *[[bip-0147.mediawiki|BIP147 Dealing with dummy stack element malleabi= lity]]<br> > *[[bip-0148.mediawiki|BIP148 Mandatory activation of segwit deployment= ]]<br> > *[[bip-0149.mediawiki|BIP149 Segregated Witness (second deployment)]]<= br> > *[<a href=3D"https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcoincore.org/en/2<wbr>016/01= /26/segwit-benefits/</a> Segwit benefits]<br> ><br> > =3D=3DCopyright=3D=3D<br> ><br> > This document is dual licensed as BSD 3-clause, and Creative Commons<b= r> > CC0 1.0 Universal.<br> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> > bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bl= ank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat<wbr>ion.org</a><br> > <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-= dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wb= r>org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-d<wbr>ev</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat<wbr>ion.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wbr>org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-d<wbr>ev</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat<wbr>ion.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wbr>org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-d<wbr>ev</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --001a11403b7a41021e0551629628--