Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73FDC0037 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAFA415CF for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:06:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 9CAFA415CF Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=NmGupQ8X X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkuQpMdsXnvV for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFDC8414CE for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:06:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org DFDC8414CE Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-35fe9a6609eso36671595ab.2 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:06:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703704010; x=1704308810; darn=lists.linuxfoundation.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=2GH16prUWIr823OgFbIfxTsiw+KJ6zs7siBIQof79wk=; b=NmGupQ8XZ9lMlre2/da4ub9CFsB5/N0feiVZE6jkwlxefKay+uEu6j2wV7II9f4Vd/ vPdb+5uLltyiPep5nfro/SL+B/uYhxzH5b1zseN56157iRqUae+RtW/tpWUTqOQVDJQU lOJz40El9BX14JKWpo0jA0gtXJoxkGDx5Ft+CvNQiG5cq5Dvg4/29qadFlgz/V+xS0yR J+GykZPQUWWIJLWmVMgQpt1bD3rx6uGqtm1Is1ZAa2wlL8gwaCTH/14omFJp1OeAjZoY XsxGyp/84+qyqBORv3pvXcl6pmEwe8+RRepNq8k9Ms2XV4Y46NtMUN0KaH53Z6EamHrG yhxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703704010; x=1704308810; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2GH16prUWIr823OgFbIfxTsiw+KJ6zs7siBIQof79wk=; b=YsU+rE8Qg6SPaFtGgiI7janAIyAKes6FdhTRn+XRM4UrabatKJXUt6FwYwTHUsrJRu ANyQsrIvCjC20IYlXrfFvYWWWWZDoTX7PD/kI2wpK0FIKrLTKPSSa1o5BM5ZILekOElT 1bnWzq3bbN8PN1+nf336XbdcUDEt4BA758tl4T7dLKPEtrglQi41D4DOsmqiQjJ1qJM2 tNeSx99Evlzde3E4clPvtzkAeCvvUHFkoe2m597Oyh+etpdxci+HoZ4yT6SMBxGZ2fpp OqV81c2//Y1Oc8hizwz2up6Av/m9Uy/0/wyTFGPOBjCIyO8eWxM6CHFfZ6JhCyF3WRfI BxmA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yymx3HwoAY9tNHAd8prfd0CHkB9HouAAqNTyN1rU4IWfVvo8J3J qaGU9u1E4XxR7ppx+3JmZQWRe7In59ft38RaCOg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEb2K2aaF7lQobeZNyVR7vgnbaU6GWwuwXmqlQxKo/cnxQEjLvkfzAnynjTAVHhi8atkczozBDqHAvX5l2Rg60= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1a49:b0:35f:b65b:d with SMTP id u9-20020a056e021a4900b0035fb65b000dmr15449119ilv.79.1703704009856; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:06:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nagaev Boris Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 16:06:13 -0300 Message-ID: To: Greg Tonoski , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 10:46:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [BUG]: Bitcoin blockspace price discrimination put simple transactions at disadvantage X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:06:51 -0000 On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 2:26=E2=80=AFPM Greg Tonoski via bitcoin-dev wrote: > As a result, there are incentives structure distorted and critical > inefficiencies/vulnerabilities (e.g. misallocation of block space, > blockspace value destruction, disincentivized simple transaction, > centralization around complex transactions originators). > > Price of blockspace should be the same for any data (1 byte =3D 1 byte, > irrespectively of location inside or outside of witness), e.g. 205/205 > and 767/767 bytes in the examples above. Witness data does not contribute to utxo set. The discount on storing data in witness creates an incentive to store data exactly in the witness and not in the parts contributing to utxo set. $ du -sh blocks/ chainstate/ 569G blocks/ 9.3G chainstate/ Witness data is part of the "blocks" directory which is not latency-critical and can be stored on a slow and cheap storage device. Directory "chainstate" contains the data needed to validate new transactions and should fit into a fast storage device otherwise initial block download takes weeks. It is important to maintain the incentives structure, resulting in a small chainstate. --=20 Best regards, Boris Nagaev