Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9642CC0032 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C5B40153 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 49C5B40153 Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fm1 header.b=AH4XTApn X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8pB0daYbtAA7 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91BA140134 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 91BA140134 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC88A32002E8; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 05 Sep 2023 13:49:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1693936185; x=1694022585; bh=LKJ2PjCOjk/GA wwMfLR0djiXvigxq+xkXskC0WD9vjw=; b=AH4XTApn4xkWiYfQ4L0iHWPcj8GLZ 1U8cRy8d2PvjD2qncY0NdFQmGS3ag9J6SU1mQtnoXKdAM2HpscRuN/u2h6ksfYhj Vzp/Sie/FrXsznJtDNKDhfaf64kjVTrro5h/6aHhScY+LLtLv8dy9aOmOVTDbe+o qdgC92+OhbkBG/apqIuno1sHdFyhWBu1rtjwohAhdICfPVHLL4eHususBNcugadd fyRcrfz5rXiEFGf4SfKChp9gufZo7aNAigMYdVkPeBsEjNm2sAXjvPIA6KrilYBy ObiVRTov617froQGMBdJ7uaKpDQiRSrCeIsjTp0zOPt0dQm+BEX08D9sQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrudehuddgleegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtuggjsehgtd erredttddunecuhfhrohhmpefrvghtvghrucfvohguugcuoehpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhht ohguugdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhephfefudejvedvieekheelgedtgeelvd ehheegffdvfffffeelfefgffegieekieelnecuffhomhgrihhnpegsihhttghoihhnthgr lhhkrdhorhhgpdhpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd enucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 970235F82B; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:49:43 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: vjudeu@gazeta.pl, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: References: <98009035-ac19029087479e992d1f7eccdc9eb0ab@pmq6v.m5r2.onet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jhtI8hEbNQtDMqYB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <98009035-ac19029087479e992d1f7eccdc9eb0ab@pmq6v.m5r2.onet> Cc: GamedevAlice Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Concern about "Inscriptions" X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:49:50 -0000 --jhtI8hEbNQtDMqYB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 03, 2023 at 06:01:02PM +0200, vjudeu via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Given the current concerns with blockchain size increases due to inscri= ptions, and now that the lightning network is starting to gain more tractio= n, perhaps people are now more willing to consider a smaller blocksize in f= avor of pushing more activity to lightning? > =A0 > People will not agree to shrink the maximum block size. However, if you w= ant to kill inscriptions, there is another approach, that could be used to = force them into second layers: it is called cut-through, and was described = in this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D281848.0 > =A0 > Then, if you have "Alice -> Bob -> ... -> Zack" transaction chain, and fo= r example some inscriptions were created in "Alice -> Bob" transaction, the= n cut-through could remove those inscriptions, while leaving the payment un= affected, because the proper amount of coins will be received by Zack, as i= t should be. You are incorrect: cut-through transactions will not meaningfully affect inscriptions. While it is true that with fancy cryptography we can prove the Alice -> ... -> Zack chain, that does not change the fact that Alice -> Bob= -> Zack was mined in the blockchain, and those transactions exist. Anyone runn= ing a full archival node will still have those transactions, and can provide th= em (and all their inscription data) to anyone who needs it. This is not unlike how in Bitcoin right now many people run pruned nodes th= at do not have any archival inscription data. Them running those nodes does not prevent others from running full archival nodes that do make that data available. --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --jhtI8hEbNQtDMqYB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE0RcYcKRzsEwFZ3N5Lly11TVRLzcFAmT3ajUACgkQLly11TVR LzejAA//R1gyM9SO2ZSP1v25Bp4xwJFOM2ihWkgUVM4Py3XQI10oq0VxaAORefBq APO7rAmgjiRt+E+3+O4sGTz6DmXvfGDT+RlHfaFae1OII3ABJ8p5SXxoTEWydrqg WqT8pZa6ek5ZxCOVSjWwcfpa37hr11wsmgso8vw4qCjth6swcjEDQEahWca8iVbJ FNDSD5iH/aMpUNxrRtqEI0eoTcrQjhwu7Igc0pOZztuSzp4u21uY9P8QmTxDsZV9 L8y371iB2agHsb/TU+vYzcZyn0v5GEPjTGWAeIJyhm+XW7r/rXNmEbjLpVShYkHH 1huZ6QX0HtEEOxRL+8Rc7uPCr9HgiSwU1kXZyq7hWK8uZhnifh2sSYdihGnr/rS3 M7+mT+IwEi/gT2Ulz23kuqLRrJBA7wOE6vJ0qopa78twShXh6vlkN2EwkXUuZ7My FC//4SwWeV0kHmlazyfHKujK6dYxRNzM7qIk31UqW5Bp6l8Q8yFwQZSv5hZLPg93 tz2tPL7b7AlH5WC4e3mo64V4Q0yNS2AESIlGY8XfN3k8uKZn9o1KM9ZDXueIHMkd daFgejf/b+0jgGaBtmk/3pA2s8XWkdFixG3GrxLNMuyvfUNIOSViO+PC7UWm+qHL 3keLMSA9QwRwTg98DX2SfQiXPMzaLgii7teva3L3h5SML3Ngfx4= =xgmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jhtI8hEbNQtDMqYB--