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Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamas Blummer <tamas.blummer@gmail.com> Message-Id: <37BECD1A-7515-4081-85AC-871B9FB57772@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:14:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgQDdJpzPR9Ve81hhyqU+MO7Ryy125fzK-iv=sfwwORDCw@mail.gmail.com> To: Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org> References: <7E4FA664-BBAF-421F-8C37-D7CE3AA5310A@gmail.com> <F87D7069-0FDC-4572-B02B-398A2A455935@gmail.com> <CAAS2fgT716PiP0ucoASxryM9y+s9H2z06Z0ToaP1xT3BozAtNw@mail.gmail.com> <CADZtCSguto2z6Z9CykymxnCokqo1G=sW0Ov0ht+KcD+KMnYyow@mail.gmail.com> <CAO3Pvs-YDzfRqmyJ85wTH0ciccjCvkm5stGyP_tVGGna=PMv3A@mail.gmail.com> <CAO3Pvs9p5COiS_7Jbj1r2iAKTEdXUcnVTRzL27c3=CeuB9WDTQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAAS2fgSyVi0d_ixp-auRPPzPfFeffN=hsWhWT5=EzDO3O+Ue1g@mail.gmail.com> <CAO3Pvs_0qCZbRCfL8EJw6gzWjZeXWcJrtg27g_SJ7+PkYTHg6A@mail.gmail.com> <CAAS2fgTs+aKyiL8Kg_AZk=Mdh6896MEg=KHa6ANAZO7unsGEsg@mail.gmail.com> <CADZtCShyYbgKk2zsKzQniqDw--XKfYWTk3Hk3o50V=MgT6zeuQ@mail.gmail.com> <20180602124157.744x7j4u7dqtaa43@email> <343A3542-3103-42E9-95B7-640DFE958FFA@gmail.com> <CAAS2fgQDdJpzPR9Ve81hhyqU+MO7Ryy125fzK-iv=sfwwORDCw@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 05:56:18 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 158 Flexibility and Filter Size X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 05:14:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lighter but SPV secure nodes (filter committed) would help the network = (esp. Layer 2) to grow mesh like, but add more user that blindly follow = POW. On longer term most users' security will be determined by either trusted = hubs or POW. I do not know which is worse, but we should at least offer the choice to = the user, therefore commit filters. Tamas Blummer > On Jun 3, 2018, at 02:28, Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org> wrote: >=20 > pretty much us that all these filter things are a total waste of time. --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEE6YNJViYMM6Iv5f9e9nKRxRdxORwFAlsTeToACgkQ9nKRxRdx ORxu4ggAnFS/nWi7xkbElbtdX0yVHQZBaH1GssqFHS0mbanCFmoEj4V6lKDmqy5U j0S2G8M2oKfzGobVe7kb+AakwRzP4xg7SbdCToK25bjpVuDi5zyXSYYBuRya1ywT KaFo684H8esFBOOvLOrPjCVi8ukYFvtuBr5vBn62fgv0J1ze/H4ZmqwrfY9lxy4R Mgt6wZNbQMrMWuZNUlidYmEzGwtTb2/BCPRa3x19LFx1jtIU/jm7YJ50Ld33utsG CYiHxZ9pDqj2csZTX9sIOKmSYn1QJvdAFujco4i5j94jsN+7dfjkrG6e/dAB4xdc EZO7qnVk/el33PHQi8Ccc18Fdo/MpQ== =0Ujo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9--