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From: John Carvalho <john@synonym.to>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:59:36 +0000
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To: Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com>,
 bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, 
 Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A proposal for Full RBF to not exclude Zero Conf
 use case
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Why wasn't this solution put in place back then? Are there problems with
the design?

While I still think there are unhealthy side-effects of Full-RBF (like more
doublespending at unknowing merchants, after years of FSS protection) I
think discussion of this FSS-RBF feature is worth considering.

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John Carvalho
CEO, Synonym.to <http://synonym.to/>


On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 8:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com> wrote:

> Thank you for bringing that to my attention, apologies for not being aware
> of it.
>
> First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html
> by Peter Todd  seems to be a very suitable option and route
> which balances FullRBF while retaining  the significant 0-conf use case.
>
> This would seem like a good way forward.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch@woobling.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Why wasn&#39;t this solution put in=C2=A0place back then? =
Are there problems with the design?<div><br></div><div>While I still think =
there are unhealthy side-effects of Full-RBF (like more doublespending at u=
nknowing=C2=A0merchants, after years of FSS protection) I think discussion =
of this FSS-RBF feature is worth considering.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_sign=
ature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">--</span><br st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">John Carvalho</div><div dir=3D"ltr">CEO,=C2=A0<a href=3D"h=
ttp://synonym.to/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">Synonym=
.to</a><br><div><font size=3D"1"><br></font></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 8:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:daniel@gap600.com">daniel@gap600.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you for br=
inging that to my attention, apologies for not being aware of it.<div><br><=
/div><div>First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here=C2=A0<a href=3D"h=
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permail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html</a>=C2=A0 by Peter Todd=C2=A0<span=
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 suitable option and route which=C2=A0balances FullRBF while retaining=C2=
=A0 the significant=C2=A00-conf use case.</div><div><br></div><div>This wou=
ld seem like a good way forward.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
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</div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nothingmuch@woobling.org" target=3D"_blank">nothingmu=
ch@woobling.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitco=
in-dev/2015-May/008248.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://l=
ists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div>

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