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[103.168.172.146]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id af79cd13be357-7d09a16aaffsi62466185a.6.2025.06.04.04.35.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Jun 2025 04:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.146 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.168.172.146; Received: from phl-compute-05.internal (phl-compute-05.phl.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailfout.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A824313804ED for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2025 07:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-02 ([10.202.2.163]) by phl-compute-05.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 04 Jun 2025 07:35:39 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddugddvtdejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfu rfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuf fkgggtugesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomheprfgvthgvrhcuvfhougguuceophgvthgv sehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeevleduvdeiffektd dvffffueetveeltdehgfeijedtudfhfeehjefgheevffdtffenucffohhmrghinhepghgv hihsvghrrdhfuhhnugdpohhpvghnthhimhgvshhtrghmphhsrdhorhhgpdhpvghtvghrth houggurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhf rhhomhepphgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupd hmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopegsihhttghoihhnuggvvhesghhoohhg lhgvghhrohhuphhsrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2025 07:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8748A9FCCF; Wed, 4 Jun 2025 11:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 11:35:37 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: [bitcoindev] V3/TRUC miner adoption Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/2VCMlTVKgWc0/3N" Content-Disposition: inline X-Original-Sender: pete@petertodd.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=o+fVYvgX; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@petertodd.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --/2VCMlTVKgWc0/3N Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline FYI I ran a short experiment with my Alice OpenTimestamps calendar to see what % of hash power was mining nVersion=3 (TRUC) transactions. I was upgrading the Bitcoin node on the Alice calendar to v29.0 and was curious. The following transactions were broadcast with nVersion=3 over the course of about 20 hours: 27582aa5aaeb8c5f3772b9a892ec5bb6cf81a5c3e41a6b4c68c932809ca897ba f039fa1b056b1446c822d2a96a41a11bd0f53511753d98141c1a4f6387a2c1c3 b409e329e3d9ab18703278de602f7275323e72c0dc4ff5807b7b8493aa5f3afd e91e0f0604a037d24f89cef2f4e4697880f5a9a5305cb3f321e86fc620835d1b 647345eb10b10965e60dde320d107edaadeb7477a6ccff84005c147a8e06a5e1 c9a708aab754f5eb9ff1d5e8c27ce3131a869f2aafc42db5367728531d9b49df f31d5aad9a1cb6b63ecaacb5f26e20e429eb4f342880a225c50508da11ae2ff4 f34821dbeb7aefca30a9cab404f6466ef087730afdc88608a06aeb0e23b95b24 210673e41dd0bcd9243d04e5af7d58772492b0206f6e11d4ee79e4324bc9ba2c 9bb821cb44e136c8b69e4eed47571b97ca27f76ad6be9a08286c582025bef232 f2f66f8fe4da2d08a1c6ffbfeae1ad1c74dbecd44da36fb81ef09642bf54b75a 5033d1e0af974d71d26107f564c3c7299848fd3de5dbace2902dd7a3ee808e20 ...every transaction was mined by either Foundry USA (28% hashpower), F2Pool (10%), or MARA (8%). Notably, Antpool does not appear to mine V3 transactions - it missed multiple opportunities at high fee-rates. Presumably that's true for Antpool proxies as well. I don't know if Foundry USA or F2Pool is actually following the TRUC standardness rules; I suspect MARA is not based on my discussions with them about how their backend works. It's possible that poor propagation is the issue here. But up-to-date Libre Relay nodes also relay V3 transactions, and they're currently quite well connected. I'm sure Antpool runs enough nodes that if they accepted V3, they'd be getting them. This was just a short test so there's a good chance I missed some smaller miners who would have mined V3/TRUC transactions; given the lack of hash power mining V3 I'm going to switch it back later today to avoid delaying timestamps unnecessarily. If this information was useful to you, feel free to send some sats to pay for OTS transaction fees: https://geyser.fund/project/opentimestamps https://alice.btc.calendar.opentimestamps.org/ -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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