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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Playing with full-rbf peers for fun and L2s security X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:55:49 -0000 On June 27, 2022 8:03:38 AM EDT, Greg Sanders <gsanders87@gmail=2Ecom> wro= te: >One key difference seems to be that properly punishing someone based on >mempool behavior seems much more difficult=2E As we all know there is no = "the >mempool"=2E No, that's not relevant here: the DoS condition is the existence of a (min= ed) double spend for a given txout used in a coin join=2E That condition is= entirely under the control of the wallet, and can be totally avoided by th= e wallet regardless of mempool behavior=2E