Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WNlMB-0003cM-IT for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:46:11 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of me.com designates 17.172.220.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=17.172.220.236; envelope-from=jeanpaulkogelman@me.com; helo=st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com; Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com ([17.172.220.236] helo=st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WNlM9-0002eF-Pr for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:46:11 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.20] ([216.19.182.8]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0N2B00GB8YGHF050@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:46:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-03-12_06:2014-03-12, 2014-03-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1401130000 definitions=main-1403120076 From: Jean-Paul Kogelman Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_403C6D0B-6C26-4B2A-9A58-AAD656650D5D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:45:50 -0700 References: <81f77484-3ca9-40a7-a999-884260b26be5@me.com> <682B9F30-7DDC-4A9D-886E-5454D5F45665@me.com> <53205D1E.1000100@gk2.sk> To: Pavol Rusnak , Bitcoin Dev In-reply-to: <53205D1E.1000100@gk2.sk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WNlM9-0002eF-Pr Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] Proposal: Base58 encoded HD Wallet root key with optional encryption X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:46:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_403C6D0B-6C26-4B2A-9A58-AAD656650D5D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Mar 12, 2014, at 6:11 AM, Pavol Rusnak wrote: > On 03/12/2014 04:17 AM, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: >> We've been hard at work updating the spec to include features that = were requested. We've removed the Scrypt dependency that was present in = the initial drafts, added new KDFs, added plausible deniability and have = a reference implementation. >=20 > Are you aware of BIP-0039? >=20 > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki >=20 >=20 Yes I am. There are some differences between BIP 39 and my proposal = though.=20 - BIP 39 offers an easy list of words, no gnarly string of case = sensitive letters and numbers. - BIP 39 only offers one fixed length of entropy, always 12 words, no = option to increase or decrease the length. - BIP 39 doesn't have a genesis date field, so no optimization during = blockchain rescan. - BIP 39 doesn't have password typo detection. No easy way to recover a = password if you know most of it. - BIP 39 does not have a user selectable KDF, only 2048 round = PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA512.=20 - BIP 39 can't outsource the KDF computation to a 3rd party. - BIP 39 wallet implementors can use their own word lists, breaking = cross wallet compatibility. jp --Apple-Mail=_403C6D0B-6C26-4B2A-9A58-AAD656650D5D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTIIEuAAoJEG93Vo4Z7tpFBGkP/R1TUUV0c1HEF1DfbRNX7J1n rlUc+T0rNqIw1IFXA5q0MbyZ6Wlm9BMIAjffwXJGimVUyyHJlWUT/HpK79lKBSnq XsSsIbwUTomkZ0vAKF0x916BTT+Vrmflu0w0Amh1MHptwX/M3NohlupMeGKmoCSF Td02PbajwnfBX4xWayuRxSRB83WFbmEXdHezs3ACY6CSRsGA35TlwByr8CmSmFgM BgCdPWZb6eCS1K3qvfky4Al0lIP9PPV9U+CNMqbISuzc6vYgtLwXpgZ5uai3XmO3 6zqxhhKSFQ434YQqXAqEnXQ1AoffF3FwHGKNnatpkTTHYGPYNUAEGZpEt7iGPHw1 6taa5KVBt3kFl2iuRsGth7sTq3yJBBe0Oatl+/LfjVgYggpxxaYAWFQAlmkXItHy s6fsA71zcQkzdtTRO3rU2rV//JIlwC2/ue01Em7ZxnSh3EG94DHWikvJjmOsQ6At rUV62l6xP7huKy6P4TNUTTZREcO1AJMHUoyt8odFWIIa/T7hbFnvmWXdiEGBiBEP Fgp7Ym0QC1DqNttqXND1BiCJSBFxek5K+rV/CKKfkSqLAIZGNbOSMLvJGII4WiSX KuVAo00uCiJ5w0hd2D6ft1UvkFWUjYlnUyWK+waEGfOtJohUtX0ORX7LI/0F1qZe Lg2PaCtVD2AEDxrXCSxo =sdda -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_403C6D0B-6C26-4B2A-9A58-AAD656650D5D--