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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
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Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet is=
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not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am not=20
sure.

I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of BIP348-compatible PRs,=
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at a minimum.

Greg
On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote:

> Hi Weikeng,
>
> I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No=20
> objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoi=
n=20
> developers.
>
> Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for it=
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> on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
>
> [0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
> [1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818
> [2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28
>
> /dev/fd0
> floppy disk guy
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weiken...@l2iterative.com>=20
> wrote:
>
>> I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be=
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>> added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received =
a=20
>> lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years,=
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>> CSFS isn't.
>>
>> With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to=
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>> start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitV=
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>> by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potentia=
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>> on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relyi=
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>> on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Weikeng
>>
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Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet is =
not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am not sur=
e.<div><br /></div><div>I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of=
 BIP348-compatible PRs, at a minimum.<br /><div><br /></div></div><div>Greg=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote:<br/></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto">H=
i Weikeng,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I agree that it has=
 a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No objections for CSFS on [wiki=
][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin developers.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has a=
lso expressed his support for it on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell conside=
rs it [useful][2].</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">[0]: =
<a href=3D"https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www.google.com/url?hl=3Den=
&amp;q=3Dhttps://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support&amp;source=3Dgmail&am=
p;ust=3D1742562174264000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw36-y2RazV2Vq-UkQqggQOp">https://en=
.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support</a></div><div dir=3D"auto">[1]: <a href=
=3D"https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www.google.com/url?hl=3Den&am=
p;q=3Dhttps://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp=
;ust=3D1742562174264000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw19wwapSHKxFaFKz8clYpUj">https://x.c=
om/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818</a></div><div dir=3D"auto">[2]: <a href=
=3D"https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www.google.c=
om/url?hl=3Den&amp;q=3Dhttps://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizar=
ds/2019-11-28&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp;ust=3D1742562174264000&amp;usg=3DAOvVa=
w3KMhiEfXUI5j5uRnBg-qOr">https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wiz=
ards/2019-11-28</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">/dev=
/fd0</div><div dir=3D"auto">floppy disk guy</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen &lt;<a href data-email-ma=
sked rel=3D"nofollow">weiken...@l2iterative.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am writing j=
ust to solicit people&#39;s opinions on whether CSFS should be added to sig=
net given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of suppor=
t. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn&#39;t.=
<div><br></div><div>With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part =
of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS =
helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much =
lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows appli=
cations relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Thanks,</div><div>Weikeng</div>

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