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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 17:52:20 +0100
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From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Message Signing based authentication
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On 2 November 2013 17:26, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> Guys, identity systems for the web are off-topic for this list. Other than
> the anonymous passports/SINs/fidelity bond ideas, Bitcoin doesn't have any
> relevance to it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Hannu Kotipalo <hannu.kotipalo@iki.fi>wrote:
>
>> Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but the *real* answer to the question
>> "why-is-nobody-using-ssl-client-certificates" is that it would force
>> www pages to be encrypted and would make it a lot more difficult for
>> NSA to log www-trafic.
>>
>
> No, it wouldn't. You can log a user in using SSL and then redirect the
> user back to an encrypted page, using cookies for the rest of the session.
> Please don't clutter up this list with conspiracy theories. The brutal
> reality is that identity is a hard problem.
>

Identity need not be a hard problem.  In my view it is a solved problem.

You have a real world entity translated to a digital format.  Yes that can
be slightly ambiguous at time, naming is hard, and people do get this wrong
frequently.

The most common problem is to name something in a way that does not scale.
The solution to this problem is rather easy, and that is to use a URI to
name something, which makes it global and scalable.

In the case of bitcoin you could have use the bitcion URI scheme

bitcion:1fhdjkfhjksf...


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 2 November 2013 17:26, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Guys, identity systems for =
the web are off-topic for this list. Other than the anonymous passports/SIN=
s/fidelity bond ideas, Bitcoin doesn&#39;t have any relevance to it.<div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Hannu Kotipalo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:hannu.kotipalo@iki.fi" target=3D"_blank">hannu.kotipalo@iki.fi<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but the *real* answer to the question<br>
&quot;why-is-nobody-using-ssl-client-certificates&quot; is that it would fo=
rce<br>
www pages to be encrypted and would make it a lot more difficult for<br>
NSA to log www-trafic.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>No, it wou=
ldn&#39;t. You can log a user in using SSL and then redirect the user back =
to an encrypted page, using cookies for the rest of the session. Please don=
&#39;t clutter up this list with conspiracy theories. The brutal reality is=
 that identity is a hard problem.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Identity need not be a h=
ard problem.=A0 In my view it is a solved problem.<br><br></div><div>You ha=
ve a real world entity translated to a digital format.=A0 Yes that can be s=
lightly ambiguous at time, naming is hard, and people do get this wrong fre=
quently.<br>
<br></div><div>The most common problem is to name something in a way that d=
oes not scale.=A0 The solution to this problem is rather easy, and that is =
to use a URI to name something, which makes it global and scalable.<br><br>
In the case of bitcoin you could have use the bitcion URI scheme<br><br>bit=
cion:1fhdjkfhjksf...</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
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