Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UwMAs-0007GL-HN for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:52:58 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of robbak.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; envelope-from=robbak@robbak.com; helo=mail-wg0-f49.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1UwMAr-000368-0J for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:52:58 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id a12so4326370wgh.16 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 17:52:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=EkyC2QxRoMybqtJKOPL8BrATqYuh98GmcLr6OBjnJ1c=; b=KwhMb8Y0KgKtwX/nai1/Dw+/nJjqV10jYDVJmldA+xNO8Q9i1zmAspeei9vz/DrSPm L4WjqlXmnsVT8A7lspXLSm7UCoidFZaqAr+j274GTBSn/lvKArM5nuUxzEApxRyksRkb QWy0VY3QrZCtY6wXc1fb/2CbcpYert5o0R0GRwV/QLQ9z1dXi144dag5jbZAH09eVC7m 8TkwugKo7SE4E9e2pYnUINA67L/lvASL3f8aGLYZqhjpvDa3hSE8ycl6eLykHYXomt1o o+XiPZaOXZ9eg3oWxe9mZ+CwLLb396zhdCs9RR+8Ozy/X7IEvf4vjwPMC17doXsk8IYn sRew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.87.100 with SMTP id w4mr13593850wjz.34.1373329358747; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.123.137 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1372353053.10405.140661249237317.77984E1F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1372605569.4937.140661250186789.39404E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:22:38 +1000 Message-ID: From: Robert Backhaus To: Bitcoin Development List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a1696920a04e10928d5 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnrDrnvs2THQO4LCCFtw3fx6C96w1UTzpGnQhHDea5mblQXJsC2sI65iDBgaN81EU0pTKiE X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1UwMAr-000368-0J Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:52:58 -0000 --047d7bf10a1696920a04e10928d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has made it an instant uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits are a dime a dozen. Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabling the browser plugin, but how many users will do that? Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet - yes, of course. Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on their computers by installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a compiled binary without a Java dependency, it is DOA. On 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe wrote: > I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the website to make it > more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It's a Java > application serving HTML. > > It can be found here: https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website > > > On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim wrote: > >> Yeah "email jim' was never going to work so I have >> bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by: >> >> + having a dedicated Support page on the website >> https://multibit.org/support.html >> It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas. >> + the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with >> "Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas. >> I've also written more help to cover as much as possible. >> + Failing that people are directed first to bitcoin.stackchange.com >> (I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword. >> + Then finally users are directed to the github issues to search >> existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on there to >> close >> issues down as well as me. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: >> > Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it? >> > >> > I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie restrictions >> > for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get support at >> > the moment and "email jim" doesn't scale at all. >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen < >> gavinandresen@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > I vote "yes" to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the recommended >> > > desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it. >> > > >> > > If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back. >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >> > > >> > > Build for Windows Store. >> > > >> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Bitcoin-development mailing list >> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >> > >> > Build for Windows Store. >> > >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bitcoin-development mailing list >> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >> >> >> -- >> https://multibit.org Money, reinvented >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >> >> Build for Windows Store. >> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Bitcoin-development mailing list >> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > --047d7bf10a1696920a04e10928d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has = made it an instant uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java= exploits are a dime a dozen.

Yes, you can reduce some o= f the problems by manually disabling the browser plugin, but how many users= will do that?

Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet = - yes, of course. Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on t= heir computers by installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a = compiled binary without a Java dependency, it is DOA.


O= n 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe <g.rowe@froot.co.uk> wrote:<= br>
I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the we= bsite to make it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It&= #39;s a Java application serving HTML.


On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim <jim618@fa= stmail.co.uk> wrote:
Yeah "email jim' was never going to work so I have
bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by:

+ having a dedicated Support page on the website
=A0 =A0http= s://multibit.org/support.html
=A0 =A0It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas.
+ the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with
=A0 =A0"Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas.
=A0 =A0I've also written more help to cover as much as possible.
+ Failing that people are directed first to bitcoin.stackchange.com
=A0 =A0(I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword. + Then finally users are directed to the github issues to search
=A0 =A0existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on there t= o
=A0 =A0close
=A0 =A0issues down as well as me.



On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it?
>
> I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie restrictio= ns
> for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get support a= t
> the moment and "email jim" doesn't scale at all.
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com><= br> > wrote:
> > I vote "yes" to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the= recommended
> > desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it. > >
> > If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back.
> >
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