Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc5ul-00031H-Ls for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:33:07 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com ([209.85.128.177]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wc5ui-0002Gc-7N for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:33:07 +0000 Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id sa20so6918337veb.8 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 21:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=Yq7HoWcRqC9WYyBdPf6O6mf1rOfyF8dnsChogiN1LBg=; b=cqQH+/p0xOsJkYavoadmfaq6T2TwCfWB8kTHBaVJOtHCnMMAwEK8z3pTw1bHbYW9n5 T4NSNqsxvoRyMVpMHoerel5xmsmBFr4eyWGN7wY/DVdRG7Iw4FeacKVX/mY8vdiLK1oy Mp8hwirGycA8Pkz223ebb9F6MMuF9InWDv6UfZRQqynYDT/EYoW2+nki7AQBplpi3BYs eReItc32c04zLlfZuHRGUaNCZtjHtEHvDS0XrUpvIhkVkwY2YAdhYkE+jIEbybRyU5mX 6ity2aC77S4jEwOoevsbGDosK5K23mSVbEzvJIJljEr/UAS+sB7e0PKZVfgfPKJUFbLO rsXA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl/fBHvRfyE1toL0/RFVFJFZzEkv4HeiMztXzMNoT5X3fTBhMULtAdJylnOUrRAbG3Jub5h MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.123.39 with SMTP id lx7mr23711397vdb.22.1398053288187; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.63.200 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5D3F5340-06B1-4F88-A817-B3606413B039@swipeclock.com> References: <53540715.7050803@xylon.de> <1C408C12-B39B-46E4-B997-153D566158B1@swipeclock.com> <5354154C.1080908@olivere.de> <4098C706-D67F-474E-9C13-E4C8F56B41ED@swipeclock.com> <11664045-9CAB-4A9B-BE45-271496D870CD@swipeclock.com> <5D3F5340-06B1-4F88-A817-B3606413B039@swipeclock.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:08:08 +1000 Message-ID: From: Christopher Paika Cc: Bitcoin Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51dd2ab9ea70504f785a5c2 X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 1.2 MISSING_HEADERS Missing To: header 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Wc5ui-0002Gc-7N Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:33:07 -0000 --bcaec51dd2ab9ea70504f785a5c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bit is simple phonetically, I'm for it. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Mike Caldwell wr= ote: > If bit had to be preceded by a letter I would nominate "ebit" or "xbit" > (which could still be XBT) > > Those needing a definition for x could define it as "coin/1000000". > > That said, I am still more in favor of "bit". Xbit would just solve the > problems others cite about ambiguity if they had to be solved without the > resulting name being too long. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:33 PM, "Un Ix" wrote: > > Something tells me this would be reduced to a single syllable in common > usage I.e. bit. > > My 2 cents goes for "bit". > > Because: Bitcoin is a digital currency, BTC starts with "bit", "bit" > refers to a small amount of something in its regular english usage and > lastly 99.9876543% of people on the planet don't know what a digital "bit= " > is yet ... > > Gavin > > On 21/04/2014, at 9:20 am, "Mike Caldwell" > wrote: > > My impression: > > Good because it is short, memorable, and pronounceable by speakers of mos= t > languages (though to most of the world that would be oo-bit, as "u" being > "yu" is mostly an English thing) > > Downsides include the fact that =CE=BC is not a U, it just resembles one.= It is > a lowercase M in Greek, a live spoken language also studied by many, and > calling it a U conveys a notion of global unawareness. And the potential > for "XBT" to be 1e-6 BTC on the world stage would be huge, worth pursuing= . > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:16 PM, "Justin A" wrote: > > > > What about "ubit", pronounced "YOU-bit", representing 1e-6 bitcoin? Easy > to say, tied in a visual way to the metric micro, leaves the required 2 > decimal places for the marginally numerate.. What more could one want? > > > > Also, hi. My first post; plan to get involved over the southern hemispher= e > winter if I can learn enough. > On Apr 20, 2014 4:32 PM, "Mike Caldwell" wrote= : > >> By culturally neutral I mean we avoid deliberately invoking a cultural >> reference in the name. For example "satoshi" would be a reference to >> Japanese culture just for being a common Japanese name regardless of who >> Satoshi turns out to be. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 20, 2014, at 1:20 PM, "Christophe Biocca" < >> christophe.biocca@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Culturally neutral? "bit" in French phonetically collides with slang >> > for phallus ("bitte", with a silent "e"). Apparently it means "louse" >> > in Turkish as well. >> > >> > Not that this really would be avoidable with any short word (all the >> > short possible words are usually taken), but it's not neutral. >> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Oliver Egginger >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> just my two 'cents': >> >> >> >> Terms arises by itself. Just as most people speak of coins when they >> >> mean bitcoins. I do not see that bitcoin is currently in common use >> >> except for speculation. Therefore no term for smaller units has >> >> established yet. No problem in my eyes. Time will tell. >> >> >> >> - oliver >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >> >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and >> their >> >> applications. 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Bit is simple phonetically, I'm for it.=C2=A0


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 a= t 1:34 PM, Mike Caldwell <mcaldwell@swipeclock.com> w= rote:
If bit had to be prec= eded by a letter I would nominate "ebit" or "xbit" (whi= ch could still be XBT)

Those needing a definition for x could define it as &qu= ot;coin/1000000".=C2=A0

That said, I am still= more in favor of "bit". Xbit would just solve the problems other= s cite about ambiguity if they had to be solved without the resulting name = being too long.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone<= /div>

On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:33 PM, &qu= ot;Un Ix" <slashdevnull@hotmail.com> wrote:

Something tells me this would= be reduced to a single syllable in common usage I.e. bit.

My 2 cents goes for "bit".=C2=A0

Because: Bitcoin is a digital currency, BTC starts with "bit", = "bit" refers to a small amount of something in its regular englis= h usage and lastly 99.9876543% of people on the planet don't know what = a digital "bit" is yet ...

Gavin

On 21/04/2014, at 9:20 am, "Mi= ke Caldwell" <mcaldwell@swipeclock.com> wrote:

My impression:

Good because it is short,= memorable, and pronounceable by speakers of most languages (though to most= of the world that would be oo-bit, as "u" being "yu" i= s mostly an English thing)

Downsides include the fact that =CE=BC is not a U, it j= ust resembles one. It is a lowercase M in Greek, a live spoken language als= o studied by many, and calling it a U conveys a notion of global unawarenes= s. And the potential for "XBT" to be 1e-6 BTC on the world stage = would be huge, worth pursuing.=C2=A0

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr = 20, 2014, at 6:16 PM, "Justin A" <allport@gmail.com> wrote:

<delurk>

What about "ubit", pronounced "YOU-bit",= representing 1e-6 bitcoin? Easy to say, tied in a visual way to the metric= micro, leaves the required 2 decimal places for the marginally numerate.. = What more could one want?

</delurk>

Also, hi. My first post; plan to get involved over the south= ern hemisphere winter if I can learn enough.

On Apr 20, 2014 4:32 PM, "Mike Caldwell&quo= t; <mcaldw= ell@swipeclock.com> wrote:
By culturally neutral I mean we avoid deliberately invoking a cultural refe= rence in the name. =C2=A0For example "satoshi" would be a referen= ce to Japanese culture just for being a common Japanese name regardless of = who Satoshi turns out to be.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2014, at 1:20 PM, "Christophe Biocca" <christophe.biocca= @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Culturally neutral? "bit" in French phonetically collides wi= th slang
> for phallus ("bitte", with a silent "e"). Apparent= ly it means "louse"
> in Turkish as well.
>
> Not that this really would be avoidable with any short word (all the > short possible words are usually taken), but it's not neutral.
>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Oliver Egginger <bitcoin@olivere.de> wrote= :
>> Hello,
>>
>> just my two 'cents':
>>
>> Terms arises by itself. Just as most people speak of coins when th= ey
>> mean bitcoins. I do not see that bitcoin is currently in common us= e
>> except for speculation. Therefore no term for smaller units has >> established yet. No problem in my eyes. Time will tell.
>>
>> - oliver
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------
>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book
>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph d= atabases and their
>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,
>> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today= !
>> http://p= .sf.net/sfu/NeoTech
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/b= itcoin-development
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------
> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book
> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph datab= ases and their
> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,
> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! > http://p.sf.= net/sfu/NeoTech
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitco= in-development

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