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From: Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 20:23:43 +0100
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To: "Warren Togami Jr." <wtogami@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
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I did wonder what the post actually meant, I recommend appending /s after
sarcasm so it's clear. Lots gets lost in text. But I agree with you btw his
response was not particularly tactful.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situation I had hoped
> people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive his statement
> was.  I am sorry to those in the community if they misunderstood my post.=
 I
> thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously belie=
ve
> particular participants should be excluded.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>>  Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the
>> companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they
>> can't mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation, b=
ut
>> don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're goin=
g
>> to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power, why wo=
uld
>> you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of
>> adopters wallets? Same thing.
>>  ------------------------------
>> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
>> Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM
>> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
>>
>>   Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on
>> forever regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent
>> "right" to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China
>> can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their
>> firewall *TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted
>> then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever
>> regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" =
to
>> mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial
>> amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being
>> outcompeted then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>>
>>  But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a
>> node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or s=
o.
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">I did wonder =
what the post actually meant, I recommend appending /s after sarcasm so it&=
#39;s clear. Lots gets lost in text. But I agree with you btw his response =
was not particularly tactful.</span><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Warren Togami =
Jr. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">wtogami@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">By reversing Mike&#39;s language to the reality of th=
e situation I had hoped people would realize how abjectly ignorant and inse=
nsitive his statement was.=C2=A0 I am sorry to those in the community if th=
ey misunderstood my post. I thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm wher=
e I do not seriously believe particular participants should be excluded.<sp=
an class=3D""><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:thyshizzle@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">thyshizzle@outlook.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Doesn&#39;t me=
an you should build something that says &quot;fuck you&quot; to the compani=
es that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say &quot;Oh yea if they can&#3=
9;t mine it how we want stuff &#39;em&quot; is naive. I get decentralisatio=
n,
 but don&#39;t dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you&#=
39;re going to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold &gt; 50% hashing p=
ower, why would you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoi=
n out of adopters wallets? Same thing.</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">From:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Warren Togami Jr.</a></spa=
n><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Sent:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=E2=80=
=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM</span><span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Cc:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">Bi=
tcoin Dev</a></span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Subject:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [B=
itcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span><br>
<br>
</span></div><div><div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">Whils=
t it would be nice if miners
<strike>in</strike> <b>outside</b> China can carry on forever regardless of=
 their internet situation, nobody has any inherent &quot;right&quot; to min=
e if they can&#39;t do the job - if miners
<strike>in</strike>=C2=A0<b>outside</b> China can&#39;t get the trivial amo=
unts of bandwidth required
<strike>through their firewall</strike> <b>TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE<=
/b> and end up being outcompeted then OK, too bad, we&#39;ll have to carry =
on without them.<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regard=
less of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent &quot;right&quot;=
 to mine if they can&#39;t do the job - if miners in China can&#39;t get th=
e trivial amounts of bandwidth
 required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted then OK, too =
bad, we&#39;ll have to carry on without them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I&#39;m not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run =
a node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so=
.</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></d=
iv></span></div>
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