Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XF5Ah-0007av-06 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:38:43 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.81; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149081.authsmtp.net; Received: from outmail149081.authsmtp.net ([62.13.149.81]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1XF5Af-0001oX-Nd for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:38:42 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt18.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s76HcZvl032243; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 18:38:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [25.186.101.212] ([24.114.23.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s76HcR66004968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Aug 2014 18:38:30 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <53E26623.3070107@monetize.io> References: <53E1A8AF.4030206@thinlink.com> <53E23F49.3020605@thinlink.com> <63a80796-609e-43f5-9280-4cd8cf5d2648@email.android.com> <53E2585C.8070009@monetize.io> <53E26623.3070107@monetize.io> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Peter Todd Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:38:23 -0700 To: Mark Friedenbach , Bitcoin Dev Message-ID: <58d8e86f-79fc-417d-a001-951c12638a4a@email.android.com> X-Server-Quench: 7cb1fd41-1d90-11e4-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdgQUGUATAgsB AmIbWlxeU1V7WmA7 aQ5PbARZfEhNQQRv VFdNRFdNFUsrBhp5 VXwYVBlycwxAcDB3 YkBjEHcIDkUsIUJ8 X08AHG0bZGY1bH0W BkdcagNUcgZDfk5E aVUrVz1vNG8XDQg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBJSBS WgQAK04nCUoGAjMm QhEEHC4zHEZNWz86 KQcvIUIdG0BZP1Uq MEEoRVMfNXc8 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 24.114.23.154/465 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.13.149.81 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1XF5Af-0001oX-Nd Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] deterministic transaction expiration X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:38:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 6 August 2014 10:30:11 GMT-07:00, Mark Friedenbach wrote: >On 08/06/2014 01:20 PM, Peter Todd wrote: >> The general case doesn't require transmission of any merkle data; it >> is derived from the tx data. > >How can that possibly be the case? The information is hidden behind the >Merkle root in the transaction. The validator needs to know whether >there is an expiry and what it is. What's it supposed to do, guess? The general case is all committed information is included in the transaction; the merkle tree is a compatibility path, as well as an optimisation for lite clients and applications. You should read more about soft-forks; see the BIP. Remember that Bitcoin protocol development and deployment is not a centrally controlled activity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQFQBAEBCAA6BQJT4mgPMxxQZXRlciBUb2RkIChsb3cgc2VjdXJpdHkga2V5KSA8 cGV0ZUBwZXRlcnRvZGQub3JnPgAKCRAZnIM7qOfwhSYlCAC1ncAGQt53HKS+8/rq OG0RGrqE2l2/qCM/ybd9M8TkwxaI3NB5bqfIus8dB5MnyiTBFS3ooN54kNNOHtSX 2rEzPJphtOj46tk3nqe1QO3cbFJPjBCtxZff51DWZckhCiO2Iy1Br3fK3v55iscp 1jxyZnpfgUG/Ivfx+h6vkisucBXgXJ82d5vzvMIMxixh4v2+4/SAcSY6HCLIpxmV Z3l0NcGllnmWe5B6eftpWYUAREuoCNk/671jHmwu0cqk2u/Egrp776zxkEO1xivH d0EWjJmlDLmQ2hEhkpBq46ji/2m4EWPLqTW/EXf3RzwU8uCEldbxEe2tyZ0d6oBt NnTE =AhV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----