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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 20:01:58 +0100
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From: Drak <drak@zikula.org>
To: Justus Ranvier <justusranvier@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage
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Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant be civil, please
go away until you learn some manners.

I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire block causing
distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress just to the evil
miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications of all these
options.

I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement their own
filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an open
discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing before
someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account other
points of view they may not have considered yet.
 On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier" <justusranvier@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong
> > place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or
> > your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original
> > proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as
> > nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)
> >
>
> Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night
> (assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed
> have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"?
>
> The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life
> implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this
> is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.
>
> What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to get
> away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.
>
> Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating
> to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant b=
e civil, please go away until you learn some manners.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire=
 block causing distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress jus=
t to the evil miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications o=
f all these options.</p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement t=
heir own filters and behaviours without anyone&#39;s consent. So having an =
open discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing be=
fore someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account ot=
her points of view they may not have considered yet.<br>

</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, &quot;Justus Ranvier&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:justusranvier@gmail.com">justusranvier@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br>
&gt; If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong<br=
>
&gt; place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or<br>
&gt; your blog). Let&#39;s keep this thread for discussion of the original<=
br>
&gt; proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as<br>
&gt; nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night<br>
(assuming you&#39;re one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed<br>
have one)? It&#39;s &quot;just a nerdy distributed consensus problem&quot;?=
<br>
<br>
The things you&#39;re talking about fucking around with have real life<br>
implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this<br>
is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.<br>
<br>
What you&#39;re doing is reckless endangerment and you&#39;re not got to ge=
t<br>
away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.<br>
<br>
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating<br>
to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.<br>
<br>
- --<br>
Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.<br>
Learn how here: <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k</a><br>
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