Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YtkW2-0007IF-4o for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 16 May 2015 22:25:06 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com ([209.85.192.171]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YtkW0-0003P8-Ao for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 16 May 2015 22:25:06 +0000 Received: by pdea3 with SMTP id a3so81057501pde.2 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 15:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cwMay7TkmkiZzFQRiw8nWEIjrOJ7IRegO0LHVKkRRcg=; b=f4ZTtSfA3mkb2BFtvH2uTHpJYl0Dz3Tdv+TSfPpsbUZ0n5hiYWGI5ehlPLNBkQhZjq 6UcNdeOj+YSUeUZLw/tO1dXy3TSMvNsYWni9w18V+W5huv57Nlp2fiKCKJ8vvb/ZcBxX ILNdY/2jdcIGK/Hsf0tk2e3pibA2SID70s6E4HqysIWeat5sQC0PSIiO/nJKzrMaSCVZ hvJnEKTRC1MOVlx+lKoIk1nx3pwA29W+LkyexdIUg6iMunyzwFv+yg2Ir/iOUgSSZr/t pnJAuqkTH75fMWWrwfpt3qdNaTCWT6I+U4wLfmjs6WCU/1wjTckj5wmiuZtgfAwUJyr5 w4xg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl5Eh32Cjye7F9wgqGmLaE2XGawJDBA52e6qczixJr0tbmxj+3xtwYz1uK43jhUJrZ2BLq4 X-Received: by 10.70.95.228 with SMTP id dn4mr30897174pdb.89.1431814737053; Sat, 16 May 2015 15:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.89] (99-8-65-117.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net. [99.8.65.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs4sm5660433pbc.3.2015.05.16.15.18.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 May 2015 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5557C253.3080308@thinlink.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:18:59 -0700 From: Tom Harding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <5550D8BE.6070207@electrum.org> <5557A9F9.1080408@phauna.org> In-Reply-To: <5557A9F9.1080408@phauna.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1YtkW0-0003P8-Ao Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Long-term mining incentives X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:25:06 -0000 On 5/16/2015 1:35 PM, Owen Gunden wrote: > There are alternatives that still use bitcoin as the unit of value, > such as sidechains, offchain, etc. To say that these are "not bitcoin" > is misleading. Is it? Nobody thinks "euro accepted" implies Visa is ok, even though Visa is just a bunch of extra protocol surrounding an eventual bank depos= it.