Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9455889E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:07:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 345D8106 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com ([209.85.192.46]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MG8VV-1ZbUj90FWx-00FE9C for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:07:36 +0200 Received: by qgj62 with SMTP id 62so1319637qgj.2 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.23.102 with SMTP id 93mr15290998qgo.61.1438772855179; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.226.68 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1438640036.2828.0.camel@auspira.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 13:07:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: Adam Back To: Hector Chu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:KepgIJDOLTWooDq8HESwA6vAL7TZMk5rsa+0HlPh2ztrRdb3eM1 CiMfKYmidaJJWqT3McZS1R5haKPwlqoJPEL3PuIDC+EY6W5CtVPumwA/RHQlLLwr3qhj3nW GGWHRwivO/aC6A6Ruc+jL2fDHUtRZzxTo98qNXw9QK6yQvILQcQs1/iFToDfCAOZAB1TyZa 2Bk3V5wN43JHhi9c/B01g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:73MDWcFkiag=:fxthw+SJIOFgEwsNNkN5Ea /+qFkzLAZ9Adx/0ehxxdFzvEqPw2QTnTyzdDQRMP4dVUzQ3eckTsXV5nRBDIIenPgsIuhQrEW HhJ+1oUGqTeKVUEHPet782QnZABss9Xi4idIVGZ/BSNuiXEZSiZR+novexydxe7nVgFQRMtR9 2rECyj2M8ufHau6K/CA00RcBkj0LM590etByXXn0c2+I3h4KtJvm1cevuh0IPJV4YwFtlnpy1 j1POODjqsO6ic38Xse0iL0DtvE64HbTjHkkpHcwpLQYA1ImPVBXMgkpl0bsGUTbyht3FCU1// Y7+gJZhBis7+ts+MlMr6oxlsYwKSE9XtZdEelsJL9LfmT/XH7MUYEdrIv/cZV5QknCZPFRatd C6ywS6E7e6xt6ZPNE6Ak8Z3/rCwsn3M6rt6YJm6RbGDfguIGD6gGA3tT9Wb9f8aSNWgXA3DKQ tb9rHTdSj8xfzK5kEoQdMG0rFq4jQeg25Siypkv4S3hhcKOj/5gpMQRxieEIHGLlj8rSg9OgM 1j6mUHl+2F0sjWTTYeme4NkBC0kzUoKYD9oj11+R26kRBvoVWDq9pOAyhFmWSFWmn/o3xjuHr m7DqPzkot9o8Ia+g8hEZNOpvKbYQixAQHx7oNOCc5Y6xUuTb89uplg/X1Bnb7JKlGiCvbAbyi 7Y2KCQRGPm/wsp9GkVGVj5wQbwp3t9kekx9GtU9Q3lPEDLw== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] "A Transaction Fee Market Exists Without a Block Size Limit"--new research paper suggests X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:07:37 -0000 On 5 August 2015 at 12:51, Hector Chu wrote: > The market I am thinking of would be open to all, not just miners. But > miners would probably be best placed to profit from such a market, as it is > their business to know about the revenue/costs tradeoff. This prediction market in block-size seems like something extremely complex to operate and keep secure in a decentralised fashion. There are several experimental projects right now trying to figure out how to do this securely, using blockchain ideas, but it is early days for those projects. We also have no particular reason to suppose other than meta-incentive, that it should result in a secure parameter set. I suspect that, while it is interesting in the abstract, it risks converting a complex security problem into an even more complex one, rather than constituting an incremental security improvement which is more the context of day to day discussions here. Adam