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From: Steve Lee <steven.j.lee@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:28:32 -0800
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To: Alex Schoof <alex.schoof@gmail.com>
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Cc: Prayank <prayank@tutanota.de>,
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund
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That's a good point. Agree!

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Alex Schoof <alex.schoof@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I also don't see why Alex or anyone should be denied the opportunity to
> comment on future soft forks or anything about bitcoin. Alex should have no
> more or less right to participate and his comments should be judged on
> their merit, just like yours and mine.
>
> I think the concern is something like: "I disagree with a board member of
> the defense fund about [insert contentious issue]. If I disagree with them
> publicly (especially if there are clear economic implications in that
> disagreement), am I putting myself at risk in the future where I won't be
> able to get support from the fund because I spoke out against a board
> member?" That kind of concern can be mitigated through policy and
> governance, but is the kind of thing you want to tackle before it becomes
> an issue.
>
> Cheers,
>
> (a different) Alex
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:49 PM Steve Lee via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I think the word "The" is important. The title of the email and the name
>> of the fund is Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. It is "a" legal defense fund;
>> not THE Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. There is room for other funds and
>> strategies and anyone is welcome to create alternatives.
>>
>> I also don't see why Alex or anyone should be denied the opportunity to
>> comment on future soft forks or anything about bitcoin. Alex should have no
>> more or less right to participate and his comments should be judged on
>> their merit, just like yours and mine.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:37 AM Prayank via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>>
>>> > The main purpose of this Fund is to defend developers from lawsuits
>>> regarding their activities in the Bitcoin ecosystem, including finding and
>>> retaining defense counsel, developing litigation strategy, and paying legal
>>> bills. This is a free and voluntary option for developers to take advantage
>>> of if they so wish. The Fund will start with a corps of volunteer and
>>> part-time lawyers. The board of the Fund will be responsible for
>>> determining which lawsuits and defendants it will help defend.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping the developers in legal issues. Appreciate your
>>> efforts and I understand your intentions are to help Bitcoin in every
>>> possible way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Positives that I see in this initiative:
>>>
>>> 1.Developers don't need to worry about rich scammers and can focus on
>>> development.
>>>
>>> 2.Financial help for developers as legal issues can end up in wasting
>>> lot of time and money.
>>>
>>> 3.People who have misused courts to affect bitcoin developers will get
>>> better response that they deserve.
>>>
>>>
>>> I had few suggestions and feel free to ignore them if they do not make
>>> sense:
>>>
>>> 1.Name of this fund could be anything and 'The Bitcoin Legal Defense
>>> Fund' can be confusing or misleading for newbies. There is nothing official
>>> in Bitcoin however people believe things written in news articles and some
>>> of them might consider it as an official bitcoin legal fund.
>>>
>>> 2.It would be better if people involved in such important funds do not
>>> comment/influence soft fork related discussions. Example: Alex Morcos had
>>> some opinions about activation mechanism during Taproot soft fork IIRC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prayank
>>>
>>> A3B1 E430 2298 178F
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>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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>
>
> --
>
>
> Alex Schoof
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s a good point. Agree!</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On T=
hu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Alex Schoof &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alex.schoof@=
gmail.com">alex.schoof@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=C2=A0I also don&#39;=
t see why Alex or anyone should be denied the opportunity to comment on fut=
ure soft forks or anything about bitcoin. Alex should have no more or less =
right to participate and his comments should=C2=A0be judged on their merit,=
 just like yours and mine.<div><br></div><div>I think the concern is someth=
ing like: &quot;I disagree with a board member of the defense fund about [i=
nsert contentious issue]. If I disagree with them publicly (especially if t=
here are clear economic implications in that disagreement), am I putting my=
self at risk in the future where I won&#39;t be able to get support from th=
e fund because I spoke out against a board member?&quot; That kind of conce=
rn can be mitigated through policy and governance, but is the kind of thing=
 you want to tackle before it becomes an issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Ch=
eers,</div><div><br></div><div>(a different) Alex</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022=
 at 1:49 PM Steve Lee via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lis=
ts.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think the word &quot;The&quot; is important. The tit=
le of the email and the name of the fund is Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. It =
is &quot;a&quot; legal defense fund; not THE Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. Th=
ere is room for other funds and strategies and anyone is welcome to create =
alternatives.<div><br></div><div>I also don&#39;t see why Alex or anyone sh=
ould be denied the opportunity to comment on future soft forks or anything =
about bitcoin. Alex should have no more or less right to participate and hi=
s comments should=C2=A0be judged on their merit, just like yours and mine.<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:37 AM Prayank via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-de=
v@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi Jack,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt;=C2=A0The main purpose of this Fund is to defend =
developers from lawsuits regarding their activities in the Bitcoin ecosyste=
m, including finding and retaining defense counsel, developing litigation s=
trategy, and paying legal bills. This is a free and voluntary option for de=
velopers to take advantage of if they so wish. The Fund will start with a c=
orps of volunteer and part-time lawyers. The board of the Fund will be resp=
onsible for determining which lawsuits and defendants it will help defend.<=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for helping t=
he developers in legal issues. Appreciate your efforts and I understand you=
r intentions are to help Bitcoin in every possible way.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Positives=
 that I see in this initiative:<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">1.Developers don&#39;t need to worry about rich scammers and ca=
n focus on development.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">2.Financial help for developers as legal issues can end up in wasting l=
ot of time and money.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">3.People who have misused courts to affect bitcoin developers will get be=
tter response that they deserve.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I had few suggestions and feel fre=
e to ignore them if they do not make sense:<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">1.Name of this fund could be anything and &#39;The =
Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund&#39; can be confusing or misleading for newbies.=
 There is nothing official in Bitcoin however people believe things written=
 in news articles and some of them might consider it as an official bitcoin=
 legal fund.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">2.It wo=
uld be better if people involved in such important funds do not comment/inf=
luence soft fork related discussions. Example: Alex Morcos had some opinion=
s about activation mechanism during Taproot soft fork IIRC.<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <b=
r></div><div>Prayank<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A3B1 E430 22=
98 178F<br></div>  </div>

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bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
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rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
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bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
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rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><br>Alex Schoof</div>
</blockquote></div>

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