Return-Path: <j@toom.im> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38139EBD for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:55:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDF3FA5 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.190] (63.135.62.197.nwinternet.com [63.135.62.197] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id tBQMtJpt014784 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:55:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD92D7FE-30CB-473E-AF7C-5EC2891E7542"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Jonathan Toomim <j@toom.im> In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBiT5=ss9e=iac6J-A=85okF0zxMeV7H4z9-Qfx3CAWHXA@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:55:48 -0800 Message-Id: <246AA3BE-570D-4B88-A63D-AC76CB2B0CB8@toom.im> References: <CADm_WcasDuBsop55ZWcTb2FvccaoREg8K032rUjgQUQhQ3g=XA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPg+sBi=Mw7UnxG1-0-0ZTRqxrS5+28VmowyYrGP2MAvYiu_pA@mail.gmail.com> <CADm_WcbrMyk-=OnQ-3UvnF_8brhn+X2NqRPbo5xUXsbcZpc0=Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAPg+sBjbATqf8DXGF7obw9a=371zQ_S0EgTapnUmukAVenTneQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+c4Zozac8=aMrAJ1N_6SR9eBD+w0e70cEnk9CG_2oZ72AS-8g@mail.gmail.com> <CAPg+sBhsKD8jd9Y9+ngXY5tKUheO3d4P1b47eYL=Uzpat+KJ2w@mail.gmail.com> <751DFAA9-9013-4C54-BC1E-5F7ECB7469CC@gmail.com> <CAPg+sBiT5=ss9e=iac6J-A=85okF0zxMeV7H4z9-Qfx3CAWHXA@mail.gmail.com> To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbi4ll6HkkQIibGyLGUzhRcbJ50ZGMVKz17n70uSACBFZNzYenJTmWxTpB42mlcg8lvaw+pqyx4YBPJ1Xi8vsdR X-Sonic-ID: C;KniAvCOs5RGaxMgxU3XIUw== M;1PAMvSOs5RGaxMgxU3XIUw== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 3.8/5.0 by cerberusd X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size: It's economics & user preparation & moral hazard X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:55:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CD92D7FE-30CB-473E-AF7C-5EC2891E7542 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_54576C7E-0719-4605-BF57-DD78F49F80B3" --Apple-Mail=_54576C7E-0719-4605-BF57-DD78F49F80B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 26, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Furthermore, 75% is pretty terrible as a switchover point, as it = guarantees that old nodes will still see a 25% forked off chain = temporarily. >=20 Yes, 75% plus a grace period is better. I prefer a grace period of about = 4000 to 8000 blocks (1 to 2 months). =46rom my discussions with miners, I think we will be able to create a = hardfork proposal that reaches about 90% support among miners, or = possibly higher. I'll post a summary of those discussions in the next 24 = hours. --Apple-Mail=_54576C7E-0719-4605-BF57-DD78F49F80B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>On Dec 26, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev <<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">Furthermore, 75% is pretty terrible as a switchover point, as it guarantees that old nodes will still see a 25% forked off chain temporarily.</p></blockquote></div>Yes, 75% plus a grace period is better. I prefer a grace period of about 4000 to 8000 blocks (1 to 2 months).<div><br></div><div>From my discussions with miners, I think we will be able to create a hardfork proposal that reaches about 90% support among miners, or possibly higher. I'll post a summary of those discussions in the next 24 hours.</div></body></html> --Apple-Mail=_54576C7E-0719-4605-BF57-DD78F49F80B3-- --Apple-Mail=_CD92D7FE-30CB-473E-AF7C-5EC2891E7542 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWfxr1AAoJEIEuMk4MG0P1+SsH/3RP05DXy9ca6nz7htTmFe0Y 6NrymeOcHMyfNKK27NpQhJX9QZUTfCTNsStMvYDlTIPgk75OHOxGPFhFMhemCyI4 /kfpd8c1D8Mm03k4S9p/4VBPGXQ69FBGQE2moeMTeKZkTWucULmXT5k1wdHIhFyS ozhQXu13hp/Q/GBh5ChB4ga5kwE2AFtNfwJLms81IOJKNYZ0a5yn6t2qAHcjjHuh 1pYSTFpgAOETPfNYKTGAfmP677cgQplGzoaZtzX4SlBJ/EJiOHW58ys+DQ8+bmQ2 o0VL0rKCtnBkLad6m6hBj7Aq19ZyQRcN1J+4/+9c9oDMuvawaTNDKtwh3afAB/k= =Gl5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_CD92D7FE-30CB-473E-AF7C-5EC2891E7542--