Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VbqjL-0005kG-4l for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:48:03 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.212.52]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VbqjJ-0006xj-VQ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:48:03 +0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f13so2024675vbg.39 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=OsXPKFpP974JXIJoqdHIF0SgOXlbsGn6mQ9KEKNdBmk=; b=S+b/XdzGz+Vx5qTDw1yoIURBTvZOMJIJvPPnxqtU4/WhKwP7ErAPDvUQdvQaff2105 eto3pL2QlXo9YaNELHrwgVwBuiwemJb1ulHOwPMla+4FXJlYGaP8TASjgEQ0+WE76dGS nfbseW7WroXo7Lb8sVoqk/zXQM3U5FLcHpE/hi91ZqXl2IKzwzxqW7CH+ewA5kWmfS0H AskX+XAHqMCdxt7W81GEWTIF/wkURswbSUeb3UxMf1se2MW55CWvK0qqiDJHngnwY+so FrqA7aWEO/zYJ5TjAndpVVTLWpxS7l8ZDcLztoQvCbfRrvbfsy/wSRLwaa3yUQ0jAr7q PYng== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnsCOn/GgmKD58sY2MLbIeEd0Wt0ACjRAN1NgqivrIulIIygeJM5+mGN4wI0Xw+i7zEJq7S X-Received: by 10.220.144.80 with SMTP id y16mr1537033vcu.4.1383218342468; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:19:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: marek@palatinus.cz Received: by 10.59.1.2 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:18:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <526BDEC2.2090709@gmx.de> <52721F47.30206@gmx.de> From: slush Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:18:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SLW7ywkwdH6N5o_1XKkRibLQRX4 Message-ID: To: Thomas Voegtlin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343974f3414704ea079d84 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (slush[at]centrum.cz) 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: centrum.cz] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1VbqjJ-0006xj-VQ Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal to replace BIP0039 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:48:03 -0000 --047d7b343974f3414704ea079d84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, I forgot to one practical aspect; the way how the mnemonic is "mined" in Thomas proposal prevents usage in embedded devices, because difficulty of generating proper mnemonic is simply too high for embedded microcontrollers. Maybe this can be solved somehow by modifying the proposal, but right now it is a showstopper for us. Marek On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:11 PM, slush wrote: > > bip39: > + bi-directional > + passphrase protected > + shorter mnemonic or shorter wordlist > - predefined wordlist > > ThomasV proposal: > + any software can has its own preferred worlist > ? passphrase protected > - one-direction only > - longer mnemonic or longer wordlist > > --047d7b343974f3414704ea079d84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, I forgot to one practical aspect; the way h= ow the mnemonic is "mined" in Thomas proposal prevents usage in e= mbedded devices, because difficulty of generating proper mnemonic is simply= too high for embedded microcontrollers. Maybe this can be solved somehow b= y modifying the proposal, but right now it is a showstopper for us.

Marek

On Thu, Oct= 31, 2013 at 12:11 PM, slush <slush@centrum.cz> wrote:
=

bip39:
+ bi-directional
+ passphrase protected
+ shorter mnemonic or shorter wordlist
- predefined wordlist

ThomasV proposal:
+ any software can has its own preferred worlis= t
? passphrase protected
- one-direction only
- longer mnemonic or longer wordlist

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