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From: Michael Folkson <michaelfolkson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:36:05 +0100
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Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Update on "Speedy" Trial
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(The email last week was an April Fools. I did my best to make light of the
situation...)
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html

I'd like to give the list an update on where we are with Speedy Trial
because it is just as absurd as it looks to an outside observer. As a
reminder of the timeline:

February 2nd: Community meeting (100+ attendees including Core
contributors) where there was broad consensus that BIP 9 was "dead" in
favor of BIP 8. BIP 8 (which uses block heights) was revised to be a BIP 9
replacement.
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018379.html

March 6th: With no clear community consensus on whether the LOT parameter
should be set to true or false in BIP 8, Russell O'Connor proposed "Speedy
Trial". Taking an excerpt from David Harding's mailing list post "Speedy
Trial is a way to generate fast progress" and can "fail fast".
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-March/018583.html

April 6th: There are two open PRs in Bitcoin Core. PR #21377 from AJ Towns
which attempts to bring BIP 9 back to life and use MTP over block height
because MTP is better for test networks. (Apparently mainnet is a test
network for testnet and signet these days) And PR #21392 from Andrew Chow
which uses BIP 8 and block height as discussed in those first community
meetings. BIP 8 has been revised to incorporate Speedy Trial while BIP 9
hasn't.

I think we are fast approaching a time where we are in exactly the same
situation as we were with the LOT parameter. Bitcoin Core is unable to
merge anything because of limited opposition to using block height of all
things.

I do encourage everyone to look at this and understand which individuals
are making this situation absurd. They will most likely be the same
individuals that decry the dangers of a future UASF having made "Speedy"
Trial a total oxymoron.

I won't be attending the meeting later, I'd rather pull teeth. If people
are in agreement with me on no further progress being possible in Core I
think we will need to restart the UASF discussions. Luke warned that these
kinds of shenanigans could happen but I really lacked imagination on the
tricks some people could pull.

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Michael Folkson
Email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com
Keybase: michaelfolkson
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>(The email last week was an April Fools. I did my bes=
t to make light of the situation...)</div><div><a href=3D"https://lists.lin=
uxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html">https://list=
s.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html</a><br><=
/div><div><br></div>I&#39;d like to give the list an update on where we are=
 with Speedy Trial because it is just as absurd as it looks to an outside o=
bserver. As a reminder of the timeline:<div><br></div><div>February 2nd: Co=
mmunity meeting (100+ attendees including Core contributors) where there wa=
s broad consensus that BIP 9 was &quot;dead&quot; in favor of BIP 8. BIP 8 =
(which uses block heights) was revised to be a BIP 9 replacement.</div><div=
><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-Fe=
bruary/018379.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev=
/2021-February/018379.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>March 6th: With=
 no clear community consensus on whether the LOT parameter should be set to=
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uot;. Taking an excerpt from David Harding&#39;s mailing list post &quot;<s=
pan style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Speedy Trial is a way t=
o generate fast progress&quot; and can &quot;fail fast&quot;.</span></div><=
div><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021=
-March/018583.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev=
/2021-March/018583.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>April 6th: There a=
re two open PRs in Bitcoin Core. PR #21377 from AJ Towns which attempts to =
bring BIP 9 back to life and use MTP over block height because MTP is bette=
r for test networks. (Apparently mainnet is a test network for testnet and =
signet these days) And PR #21392 from Andrew Chow which uses BIP 8 and bloc=
k height as discussed in those first community meetings. BIP 8 has been rev=
ised to incorporate Speedy Trial while BIP 9 hasn&#39;t.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>I think we are fast approaching a time where we are in exactly the s=
ame situation as we were with the LOT parameter. Bitcoin Core is unable to =
merge anything because of limited opposition to using block height of all t=
hings.</div><div><br></div><div>I do encourage everyone to look at this and=
 understand which individuals are=C2=A0making this situation absurd. They w=
ill most likely be the same individuals that decry the dangers of a future=
=C2=A0UASF having made &quot;Speedy&quot; Trial a total oxymoron.</div><div=
><br></div><div>I won&#39;t be attending the meeting later, I&#39;d rather =
pull teeth. If people are in agreement with me on no further progress being=
 possible in Core I think we will need to restart the UASF discussions. Luk=
e warned that these kinds of shenanigans could happen but I really lacked i=
magination on the tricks some people could pull.</div><div><div><br></div>-=
- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_si=
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dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=
=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">Michael Folkson</font><=
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