Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z6TX8-0004tb-GI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:54:50 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.220.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.42; envelope-from=elombrozo@gmail.com; helo=mail-pa0-f42.google.com; Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.220.42]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z6TX7-0001bs-NI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:54:50 +0000 Received: by pabvl15 with SMTP id vl15so63206521pab.1 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.250.194 with SMTP id ze2mr46139364pbc.24.1434848084123; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id do16sm15436490pac.15.2015.06.20.17.54.40 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_94828265-5618-4989-B0BC-C205A8F32D8F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: <6d025db96e7aec4e6e47a76883a9a1e3@riseup.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:54:39 -0700 Message-Id: <70534C5D-8834-42B5-B495-FD9975E8FCF4@gmail.com> References: <20150619103959.GA32315@savin.petertodd.org> <04CE3756-B032-464C-8FBD-7ACDD1A3197D@gmail.com> <812d8353e66637ec182da31bc0a9aac1@riseup.net> <1727885.UUNByX4Jyd@crushinator> <83A7C606-B601-47D2-BE10-2A1412D97514@gmail.com> <8a49c53a032503eeca4f51cdef725fe1@riseup.net> <6d025db96e7aec4e6e47a76883a9a1e3@riseup.net> To: justusranvier@riseup.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.3 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1Z6TX7-0001bs-NI Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] F2Pool has enabled full replace-by-fee X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:54:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_94828265-5618-4989-B0BC-C205A8F32D8F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 One more thing I would like to add to this thread: I want to make it = unequivocally clear that I believe what is making double-spends easier = has relatively little to do with the protocol and almost everything to = do with poor software and poor security policy on the merchant end. = Perhaps it isn=E2=80=99t prudent to push out changes to the relay policy = that make these exploits even easier right now - but we NEED to be = applying some kind of pressure on the merchant end to upgrade their = stuff to be more resilient so that we have more room for changes on = things like relay policy without significant disruption to the network. - Eric Lombrozo --Apple-Mail=_94828265-5618-4989-B0BC-C205A8F32D8F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVhgtPAAoJEJNAI64YFENUHXgQAJ5jT0vMCv+tKZ3vBe2l7GHH WCQnlx6Cc7Xaq1YIPMGNndgoQZSzfk7eY9+bmOpxXYRt+yxPxj5n6eegFaly3XLk uxssazRor4CWgpvQzoWGdgbZn6gD1Cd6vYwevGDihQNlH9nEB2KmsuvPAyJKt/uG UIralhgYOUWIkOvzGynhBT/zn/spxi1enc2sR4LMsFemBj1EdCQt6kVfvwand+eU 6s5R6Bdda9Yeg3TnQwgHuNgg+nbXLP+uc7hMLkq0rWiTCI6HbhZHjGbDXTKO8Z6r rkmeFIAW25Gb/b5kXrgzedmuXblHOpU8qLjrnBECluVeekWCjy9NA93T4wekvFkZ K3z9qS4jBAhzE5KMs5oXm9kO9t6Rt8WjYZ+fVgJUQlxWfXIsQ3BvJAijASmIDyhB 2CP0Ne9Whdx21Qxewmamrh2t/pXPqUySSuOvzXbjdjxoSSiyAogcSUs0nod8fBqP xH77kKy0pgDGcogJ+uYdUHEZD4oGbA0qHqWQEKyssQEm2PrQ0EbpsWod2Q8DP9jj A6fHkMtI9q69HUf2Pw+WTDqNR4+Ctzrv6gaZK0ml3ecCtnbnLLh4PzNftC7p6PL+ /wovbjyvrJPalJKTmWOCFOGO2Uwv9ucrb1sILJ67cqp+K+duoG8wOTSKvbsKahOy WfpaLDDmSqiFYGnoei9i =HcfJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_94828265-5618-4989-B0BC-C205A8F32D8F--