Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:09:13 +0100 (CET)
From: Prayank <prayank@tutanota.de>
To: Jeremy <jlrubin@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Bitcoin Advent Calendar] A Defense of Having Fun
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Hi Jeremy,

> Eugene just dropped a project he=E2=80=99s been working on, and it=E2=80=
=99s really freakin=E2=80=99 cool. He basically implemented a human v. ches=
s engine in Solidity that mints beautiful interactive NFTs of representatio=
ns of the contract=E2=80=99s internal states.

Not sure why NFT is involved here but experiment looks interesting. Maybe E=
ugene should try few things on Lightning as well: https://lists.linuxfounda=
tion.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-December/019619.html

> Why isn=E2=80=99t Eugene working on Bitcoin?

There can be many reasons however Eugene can answer this question better.

> Working on Bitcoin is can be fun. But mostly it=E2=80=99s not. My post ye=
sterday? Theone describing new techniques to make Bitcoin more decentralize=
d? I had a lotof fun writing it. And then someone claimed that my work is =
=E2=80=9Cvery dangerous=E2=80=9D toBitcoin.

I don't support what someone said about you in IRC however people do say cr=
azy things online which has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Bitcoin can be diff=
erent things for everyone.

> Bitcoin development has a bit of a burnout problem, with multiple contrib=
utors stepping down their engagement recently. A likely cause is the strugg=
le it takes to ship even the smallest features, not to mention the monument=
al effort it takes to ship a single large project.

I am not sure if this is the reason for people who will be less active in B=
itcoin development now. And its a part of life, people will come and go. Sh=
ow must go on. There will always be another developer who is more passionat=
e and got more ideas to contribute. Funding in open source projects is an i=
ssue which exists outside Bitcoin as well and it is being addresses by seve=
ral individuals and organizations.
> It=E2=80=99s hard to tell people, especially younger folk just entering t=
he space, to work on Bitcoin full-time. What I say is as follows:

It is hard but not impossible. I tried recently in a meetup in India. Ether=
eum is not the answer to all the problems in the worlds. If someone has iss=
ues with Bitcoin development, they can be solved.

> I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99m going to convince you here to care abou=
t NFTs. But I am =E2=80=93hopefully =E2=80=93 going to convince you to care=
 about NFTs the phenomenon.

To be honest, its the trend right now and people care about it to get rich.=
 There is nothing new or innovative about it.=20

> For example, scaling challenge in Ethereum have led to the development of=
 Zero Knowledge Roll-Ups, privacy issues things like Tornado Cash, and more=
.

Rollups are memes and there are several articles, threads, research etc. to=
 read about this. Most of their implementations are not even decentralized.=
 Tornado Cash is not good privacy and even became worse after their governa=
nce token.


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Prayank

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<div>Hi Jeremy,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt;=
 Eugene just dropped a project he=E2=80=99s been working on, and it=E2=80=
=99s really freakin=E2=80=99 cool. He basically implemented a human v. ches=
s engine in Solidity that mints beautiful interactive NFTs of representatio=
ns of the contract=E2=80=99s internal states.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Not sure why NFT is involved here but experiment =
looks interesting. Maybe Eugene should try few things on Lightning as well:=
 <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-De=
cember/019619.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev=
/2021-December/019619.html</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">&gt; Why isn=E2=80=99t Eugene working on Bitcoin?<br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">There can be many reasons however =
Eugene can answer this question better.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; Working on Bitcoin is can be fun. But mostly it=E2=
=80=99s not. My post yesterday? The
one describing new techniques to make Bitcoin more decentralized? I had a l=
ot
of fun writing it. And then someone claimed that my work is =E2=80=9Cvery d=
angerous=E2=80=9D to
Bitcoin.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I don't sup=
port what someone said about you in IRC however people do say crazy things =
online which has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Bitcoin can be different thing=
s for everyone.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt;=
 Bitcoin development has a bit of a burnout problem, with multiple contribu=
tors stepping down their engagement recently. A likely cause is the struggl=
e it takes to ship even the smallest features, not to mention the monumenta=
l effort it takes to ship a single large project.<br><br>I am not sure if t=
his is the reason for people who will be less active in Bitcoin development=
 now. And its a part of life, people will come and go. Show must go on. The=
re will always be another developer who is more passionate and got more ide=
as to contribute. Funding in open source projects is an issue which exists =
outside Bitcoin as well and it is being addresses by several individuals an=
d organizations.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; It=
=E2=80=99s hard to tell people, especially younger folk just entering the s=
pace, to work on Bitcoin full-time. What I say is as follows:<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It is hard but not impossible. I =
tried recently in a meetup in India. Ethereum is not the answer to all the =
problems in the worlds. If someone has issues with Bitcoin development, the=
y can be solved.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt=
; I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99m going to convince you here to care abou=
t NFTs. But I am =E2=80=93
hopefully =E2=80=93 going to convince you to care about NFTs the phenomenon=
.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">To be honest, its =
the trend right now and people care about it to get rich. There is nothing =
new or innovative about it. <br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">&gt; For example, scaling challenge in Ethereum have led to the d=
evelopment of Zero Knowledge Roll-Ups, privacy issues things like Tornado C=
ash, and more.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rollu=
ps are memes and there are several articles, threads, research etc. to read=
 about this. Most of their implementations are not even decentralized. Torn=
ado Cash is not good privacy and even became worse after their governance t=
oken.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div=
><div>Prayank<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A3B1 E430 2298 178F=
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