Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Yq9Fn-00006k-Op for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 00:01:27 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com ([209.85.192.175]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Yq9Fm-0007BW-IB for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 00:01:27 +0000 Received: by pdea3 with SMTP id a3so24059454pde.3 for ; Wed, 06 May 2015 17:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=V7P+Kh6gQSZ/kpolt4Kdzb+2Qpb4+kX1zzqcGJkQwwU=; b=HFlnWXjHtRTSxf9f3hRKrqLDDzTbW27rrhw/mD1O66YNyRMbZDarSIKmlrt+EV/4hf QipG/SD8fQb6A52xrTEeNOB1IP+gRM2oB5ikFOvUY2QUbCemMnyI7sgKTEo08+OW3pLW UXjsovnEg2/S/pqHmHG+AS1z8azurPGcXGsqro8dPfUvsHg+0PhyseVHTL8TeKftFcmI NXbW103U9NbUqnU7LXJx+0y7lRUFTuZIc443k7zuR6Qg0WM4/h7NLRlSVwzcHZPdTpFi 5GufldjhKdWmmdLfNbb/+tCYojBW0mJWecsgMTEpfbRW4r2pMM7gvk7Q31m6Ihmr/Mx/ 3dqg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnfW7EqQielsUifl3bm16YbE8Q5CM0AWQGtRLlVpF9cLFH3p1P2apwwdTZmVrjziybntCvL X-Received: by 10.66.235.200 with SMTP id uo8mr2150545pac.18.1430956880747; Wed, 06 May 2015 17:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.100.1.239] ([204.58.254.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm177814pdm.40.2015.05.06.17.01.19 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 May 2015 17:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <554AAB2E.6000006@thinlink.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 17:00:46 -0700 From: Tom Harding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Corrallo References: <554A91BE.6060105@bluematt.me> In-Reply-To: <554A91BE.6060105@bluematt.me> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090709040804040302090708" X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.6 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [204.58.254.99 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Yq9Fm-0007BW-IB Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 00:01:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090709040804040302090708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/6/2015 3:12 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > Long-term incentive compatibility requires > that there be some fee pressure, and that blocks be relatively > consistently full or very nearly full. I think it's way too early to even consider a future era when the fiat value of the block reward is no longer the biggest-by-far mining incentive. Creating fee pressure means driving some people to choose something else, not bitcoin. "Too many people using bitcoin" is nowhere on the list of problems today. It's reckless to tinker with adoption in hopes of spurring innovation on speculation, while a "can kick" is available. Adoption is currently at miniscule, test-flight, relatively insignificant levels when compared to global commerce. As Gavin discussed in the article, under "Block size and miner fees… again," the best way to maximize miner incentives is to focus on doing things that are likely to increase adoption, which, in our fiat-dominated world, lead to a justifiably increased exchange rate. Any innovation attractive enough to relieve the block size pressure will do so just as well without artificial stimulus. Thanks for kicking off the discussion. --------------090709040804040302090708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/6/2015 3:12 PM, Matt Corallo wrote:
Long-term incentive compatibility requires
that there be some fee pressure, and that blocks be relatively
consistently full or very nearly full.

I think it's way too early to even consider a future era when the fiat value of the block reward is no longer the biggest-by-far mining incentive.

Creating fee pressure means driving some people to choose something else, not bitcoin. "Too many people using bitcoin" is nowhere on the list of problems today.  It's reckless to tinker with adoption in hopes of spurring innovation on speculation, while a "can kick" is available.

Adoption is currently at miniscule, test-flight, relatively insignificant levels when compared to global commerce.  As Gavin discussed in the article, under "Block size and miner fees… again," the best way to maximize miner incentives is to focus on doing things that are likely to increase adoption, which, in our fiat-dominated world, lead to a justifiably increased exchange rate.

Any innovation attractive enough to relieve the block size pressure will do so just as well without artificial stimulus.

Thanks for kicking off the discussion.

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