Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 09:17:22 +0100 (CET)
From: Prayank <prayank@tutanota.de>
To: Kate Salazar <mercedes.catherine.salazar@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin.org missing bitcoin core version 22.0
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Hi Kate,

> He is taking the most sensible way forward, decreasing bus factor.

Agree. Work being shared with other maintainers is an improvement.

> Read: https://laanwj.github.io/2021/01/21/decentralize.html

Interesting blog post. First paragraph talks about strange expectations, no=
t sure what other people expected however I expected present maintainers wi=
ll always have respect for the Founder of Bitcoin, keep important docs in r=
epository, website etc. forever and respond with appropriate things if any =
rich scammers try to remove anything important. Anyway that chapter is over=
 and this PR will always remain in history for others to see and make their=
 own opinions about it: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pul=
l/740

What followed it (whitepaper being shared on different websites) was true d=
ecentralization and we need something similar in other aspects of full node=
 implementations. Few things that can improve decentralization:

1.More people using alternative full node implementations. Right now 98% of=
 nodes use Bitcoin Core.
2.More people like Luke Dashjr and Amir Taaki who do not simp for anyone. B=
eing a contributor or maintainer in Bitcoin full node implementation is dif=
ferent from other open source projects. It was never going to be easy and i=
t will get difficult with time,
3.More people from different countries getting involved in important roles.
4.Few anons.
5.Individuals and organizations who fund different Bitcoin projects should =
consider contributing in alternative. full node implementations as well. Ma=
ybe start with Bitcoin Knots.

I am sure lot of people will find this controversial or disagree with it ho=
wever this is my opinion and things that I think can improve Bitcoin. Will =
quote something from my recent medium post about a dev meetup and Knots:

Accepting the problems, looking for solutions and trying to improve things =
is the best approach we as engineers can follow to do better things in Bitc=
oin. Irrational optimism is as toxic as irrational pessimism.

https://prayankgahlot.medium.com/op-halloween21-and-bitcoin-knots-b8a4da4fa=
0bd

Only ~1337 blocks left for Taproot to activate. So cheers to another soft f=
ork being a success and Bitcoin improving regularly. Thanks to everyone who=
 contributed including reviewers. Hoping most of the people will start usin=
g latest version of Bitcoin Core or other full node implementations soon.
.
--=20
Prayank

A3B1 E430 2298 178F



Oct 21, 2021, 01:48 by mercedes.catherine.salazar@gmail.com:

> Hi Owen,
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 9:25 PM Owen Gunden via bitcoin-dev <> bitcoin-de=
v@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 04:47:17PM +0200, Prayank wrote:
>>  > > It seems confusing to have two sites that seemingly both represent
>>  > > bitcoin core.
>>  >
>>  > There is only one website which represents Bitcoin Core full node
>>  > implementation. You can download Bitcoin Core from
>>  > >> https://bitcoincore.org
>> =20
>>  I also notice that, as of 22.0, Wladimir is no longer signing the
>>  releases, and I have no trust in my gpg network of the people who seem
>>  to have replaced him.
>>
>
> He is taking the most sensible way forward, decreasing bus factor.
>
> Read:=C2=A0> https://laanwj.github.io/2021/01/21/decentralize.html
> =C2=A0
>
>>
>> Given the level of security at stake here, my eyebrows are raised at
>>  this combination of items changing (new website + new gpg signers at th=
e
>>  same time).
>>
>
> Don't worry and build your own release;
> but if you do, always verify the tree hash.
> Trust signed annotated tags.
> Cheers!
> =C2=A0
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>  bitcoin-dev mailing list
>>  >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>  >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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<div>Hi Kate,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; H=
e is taking the most sensible way forward, decreasing bus factor.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Agree. Work being shared with=
 other maintainers is an improvement.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">&gt; Read: https://laanwj.github.io/2021/01/21/decentrali=
ze.html<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Interesting =
blog post. First paragraph talks about strange expectations, not sure what =
other people expected however I expected present maintainers will always ha=
ve respect for the Founder of Bitcoin, keep important docs in repository, w=
ebsite etc. forever and respond with appropriate things if any rich scammer=
s try to remove anything important. Anyway that chapter is over and this PR=
 will always remain in history for others to see and make their own opinion=
s about it: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/740<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What followed it (whitepap=
er being shared on different websites) was true decentralization and we nee=
d something similar in other aspects of full node implementations. Few thin=
gs that can improve decentralization:<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">1.More people using alternative full node implementations=
. Right now 98% of nodes use Bitcoin Core.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">2.Mor=
e people like Luke Dashjr and Amir Taaki who do not simp for anyone. Being =
a contributor or maintainer in Bitcoin full node implementation is differen=
t from other open source projects. It was never going to be easy and it wil=
l get difficult with time,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">3.More people from di=
fferent countries getting involved in important roles.<br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">4.Few anons.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">5.Individuals and organizati=
ons who fund different Bitcoin projects should consider contributing in alt=
ernative. full node implementations as well. Maybe start with Bitcoin Knots=
.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I am sure lot of p=
eople will find this controversial or disagree with it however this is my o=
pinion and things that I think can improve Bitcoin. Will quote something fr=
om my recent medium post about a dev meetup and Knots:<br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Accepting the problems, looking for solu=
tions and trying to improve things is the best approach we as engineers can=
 follow to do better things in Bitcoin. Irrational optimism is as toxic as =
irrational pessimism.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>https://prayankgahl=
ot.medium.com/op-halloween21-and-bitcoin-knots-b8a4da4fa0bd<br></div><div><=
br></div><div>Only ~1337 blocks left for Taproot to activate. So cheers to =
another soft fork being a success and Bitcoin improving regularly. Thanks t=
o everyone who contributed including reviewers. Hoping most of the people w=
ill start using latest version of Bitcoin Core or other full node implement=
ations soon.<br></div><div>.<br></div></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Prayank<=
br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A3B1 E430 2298 178F<br></div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oct 21, 2021, 01:48 by merced=
es.catherine.salazar@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"tutanota_quot=
e" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left=
: 5px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Owen,<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 9:25 PM=
 Owen Gunden via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxf=
oundation.org" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@li=
sts.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
 class=3D""><div>On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 04:47:17PM +0200, Prayank wrote:<b=
r></div><div> &gt; &gt; It seems confusing to have two sites that seemingly=
 both represent<br></div><div> &gt; &gt; bitcoin core.<br></div><div> &gt;<=
br></div><div> &gt; There is only one website which represents Bitcoin Core=
 full node<br></div><div> &gt; implementation. You can download Bitcoin Cor=
e from<br></div><div> &gt; <a target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer"=
 href=3D"https://bitcoincore.org">https://bitcoincore.org</a><br></div><div=
> <br></div><div> I also notice that, as of 22.0, Wladimir is no longer sig=
ning the<br></div><div> releases, and I have no trust in my gpg network of =
the people who seem<br></div><div> to have replaced him.<br></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>He is taking the most sensible way forward, decreas=
ing bus factor.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Read:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://=
laanwj.github.io/2021/01/21/decentralize.html" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://laanwj.github.io/2021/01/21/decentralize.html</a>=
<br></div><div>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D""><div>=
<br></div><div>Given the level of security at stake here, my eyebrows are r=
aised at<br></div><div> this combination of items changing (new website + n=
ew gpg signers at the<br></div><div> same time).<br></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>Don't worry and build your own release;<br></div><div>but i=
f you do, always verify the tree hash.<br></div><div>Trust signed annotated=
 tags.<br></div><div>Cheers!<br></div><div>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex" class=3D""><div><br></div><div>________________________________=
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