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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:58:57 -1000
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From: Timo Hanke <timo.hanke@web.de>
To: Marek Palatinus <marek@palatinus.cz>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AsicBoost
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Slush,

You can actually detect the use of this improvement by looking at the I/O
of the chip, the I/O of an on-board micro-controller or even at the system
I/O because all the communication including the mining pool protocol is
different.

Timo

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Marek Palatinus <marek@palatinus.cz> wrote:

> To my understanding it is purely software thing. It cannot be detected
> from outside if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenting it is
> worthless.
>
> slush
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Mustafa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin mines
>> in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly causing a
>> geographical decentralization of miners from countries that already have a
>> lot of miners like China (if it is patented in China).
>>
>> On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I'd like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and
>> significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has
>> never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here:
>> http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperrev5.pdf
>>
>> What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvement is
>> available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis?
>>
>> The fact that you've chosen to patent this improvement could be a
>> centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, one
>> could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Slush,<div><br></div><div>You can actually detect the use =
of this improvement by looking at the I/O of the chip, the I/O of an on-boa=
rd micro-controller or even at the system I/O because all the communication=
 including the mining pool protocol is different.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
><div>Timo<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Marek Palatinus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:marek@palatinus.cz" target=3D"_blank">marek@palatinus.cz</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">To my und=
erstanding it is purely software thing. It cannot be detected from outside =
if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenting it is worthless.<div><b=
r></div><div>slush</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at=
 1:01 AM, Mustafa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin=
-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin
    mines in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly
    causing a geographical decentralization of miners from countries
    that already have a lot of miners like China (if it is patented in
    China).<span><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via
      bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
    </div>
    </span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>
      <pre>On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin=
-dev wrote:
</pre>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <pre>Hi.

I&#39;d like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and
significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has
never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here:

<a href=3D"http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperre=
v5.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBo=
ostWhitepaperrev5.pdf</a>
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre>What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvem=
ent is
available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis?

The fact that you&#39;ve chosen to patent this improvement could be a
centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, =
one
could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights.

</pre>
      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
      <br>
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target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoi=
n-dev</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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